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The Flash
You don't win friends with salad
Premium
join:2002-10-17
Toronto, ON
reply to R0CKY
Re: Update on Throttling: Part 2...

I wonder which of these 3rd party ISPs are the ones that care.


KPaul

join:2007-02-08
reply to R0CKY
So Rocky, when you want, charge my account towards the legal defense


shikotee

join:2007-01-11
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico

reply to R0CKY
"It's the eye of the tiger, it's the cream of the fight,
Risin' up to the challenge of our rival.
And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night,
And he's watchin' us all in the eye of the tiger."

C'mon.... You know you were thinking about it!

Laidback

join:2001-09-30
Woodstock, ON
reply to R0CKY
Rocky,

Although I am not a TekSavvy client, where do you want me to send my contribution?
I don't think my ISP is currently concerned about this as I have received no response from them. That would be enough for me to change over.

RuralOtt

join:2004-12-07
K2G
reply to R0CKY
Good luck, Rocky.


Trisomy21

join:2006-04-27
Kingston, ON
reply to R0CKY
Thanks Rocky! lol love the article on Theregister.com
"Rocky VII: The Throttling" haha

I'll be convincing everyone to switch over, regardless, like I always have been.

bacon612

join:2007-10-31
Etobicoke, ON
·VoipYourLife
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·ZingoTel

reply to R0CKY
Here's another good article. Not sure if this one has already been posted but here it is.

»arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···ing.html

spooley

join:2007-10-03
Brantford, ON
reply to R0CKY
Go Rocky! Been with TS for 2 weeks and I am loving it.


Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
WoW I'm just beside myself in reading all this.

It's as if Bell can't compete fairly so they hit below the belt and (try) to punish you by implementing unfair business practices.

Unreal but this cannot be permitted to stand.


Steve Jobs
American living in Canada
Premium
join:2002-06-23
Scarborough, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico

reply to R0CKY
said by Deadpool See Profile :

said by travisc See Profile :

What sbrook said. Deadpool, I've noticed you've been very quiet since this throttling of the wholesalers thing broke - you should probably know better than to come in here with a relatively facetious remark that's just going to incite the Bell-haters.
I've only been quiet in regards to that particular subject. It's not my job to comment on those things. However I'm still helping Sympatico customers with their respective issues.

I'm not going to stop helping customers or ask questions in this forum simply because of what's going on.

Nor am I going to be dragged into that debate either. It's completely irrelevant and has zero impact on Sympatico customers and their existing service.
Deadpool doesn't think we would have an impact on Sympatico either.

jonlor

join:2004-12-06
Nepean, ON

reply to InvalidError
said by InvalidError See Profile :

Including Bell?
Yep. The ultimate solution has to be beneficial to all parties involved. And like it or not, Bell is an involved party. It's their lines, their DSLAMs and their ATM network that backhauls the data to our friends at TSI. They have every right to be compensated fairly for that.

The problem is that they're the only game in town. So, when they make a boneheaded move like like this because they haven't invested enough in their own infrastructure, well, their customers (the 3rd party ISPs, that is) don't really have the choice to take their dollars elsewhere.

But ultimately, yes, this needs to play out favourably for Bell too...They can have their slice of the cake.


Tom2

@rogers.com

 reply to R0CKY
I wrote Bell to express my disgust and disappointment with their decision to "take out the competition". Apparently they have some text ready for people such as myself. This is what I got back (I especially like the part where they don't monitor or block anything - wonder how they know what they are slowing down???). My domain shows Rogers because I have both Rogers and Teksavvy. I use Teksavvy just for P2P.

Bell Sympatico has launched a solution to enhance the online customer
experience and improve Internet performance for all our customers during peak periods of Internet usage with the introduction of Internet Traffic Management. There continues to be phenomenal growth of consumer
Internet traffic throughout the world and Bell is using Internet Traffic Management to ensure we deliver bandwidth fairly to our customers during peak Internet usage.

Internet Service Providers (ISPs) across Canada are implementing similar solutions to continue to maintain adequate service levels.

Bell does not block any type of Internet traffic or application, nor do
we proactively monitor the content of customer communications or
activities on the Internet.

Internet Traffic Management is based on the requirement to optimize
network bandwidth resources, not on the content for which these
resources are used.

During peak periods of Internet usage, Internet Traffic Management is
used to balance bandwidth fairly between P2P file sharing and other
applications so that all customers receive fair use of the network.

Bell has a responsibility to maximize the ability for all customers to
use and enjoy their Sympatico Internet service and a responsibility to
deliver bandwidth fairly to its customers.

In order to fulfill these responsibilities, Bell is entitled under the
terms of the Service Agreement, to utilize technology that maintains or
enhances the performance of the Service and the integrity of its
network.

Also, the Service Agreement and Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) prohibit the use of the Service in a way that impairs the operations or efficiency of the Service or creates an unusually large burden on our networks. To
help ensure this does not happen during peak periods, Bell uses the
latest, state-of-the-art technology to better balance Internet traffic
and deliver fair use of the network to all of our customers.

We also continue to invest in the network to meet the growing demands of our customers. Like other ISPs, Bell is taking these steps to improve
the on-line experience for its customers.

Should you have additional questions or concerns, please send another
e-mail to my attention.

Thankyou and regards,

Mithun Sreekumar

Electronic Customer Care
Sympatico Client Services

Scrappy2

join:2007-09-28
Kingston, ON
reply to R0CKY
This could be a stupid question but couldn't it take years before this case even makes it to the courts?
And in the meantime Bell can Internet Traffic Management {throttle} as they please?

chrish

join:2007-02-19
Ottawa, ON
reply to R0CKY
someone mentioned getting an injunction since this is impacting the financial viability of the wholesellers


derekm

join:2008-02-26
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed

reply to R0CKY
This is seriously balls.

I know this would be a lot of work on TekSavvy's end, but what about setting up IPSEC tunnels into your network? (and further reduce our MTU) Surely they aren't throttling those.

I will be writing my MP, I suggest you do the same.

-- Derek


eots

join:2003-02-04
reply to Tom2
You didn't complaint to Bell if your response was from Sympatico Client Services. I seriously doubt their outsourced support in India have a clue what Bell is currently imposing on the Wholesale ISP's.

elwoodblues
Elwood Blues

join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
reply to Scrappy2
Don't think it needs to go to court, this is a tarriff issue which can go before the CRTC


mazhurg
Premium
join:2004-05-02
Portage La Prairie, MB
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·MTS

reply to Tom2
said by Tom2 :

I wrote Bell

[...]

Electronic Customer Care
Sympatico Client Services
If you wrote to Bell (BCE) and Sympatico replied, that that is one F*^*%^up organisation with an identity crisis.

But then, the hydra just has one head, no?


Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
reply to elwoodblues
It's not a tariff issue, it's a contract dispute. It's only a tariff issue if the contract DOES legally justify it.

Besides, CRTC would take months or longer to do anything.


derekm

join:2008-02-26
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed

reply to derekm
Here is the email that I've sent my MP, and MPP. You can do the same:

Hello [name here],

I am writing to you today because I am furious over Bell Canada's unfair abuse of their phone network monopoly. They are required by the CRTC to resell their network services to third-party providers, in this case Internet providers.

I use the service of a third-party (TekSavvy, a small, privately owned) Ontario reseller, because over and above the network, the third-party provider provides me with things that a large company cannot. Namely, good customer service.

Bell is now implementing speed reduction for certain types of traffic on the connection between my house, and this third party provider. They say it is implemented only on P2P (Peer to peer) traffic, which has been demonized unfairly as a tool for copyright infringement, and criminal activity.

P2P technology is in fact a legitimate service, which allows a person to use the Internet connection *that they paid for,* to preform better than a client/server model. In addition, this traffic is being throttled between my house, and the third party ISP, all within Bell's network.

P2P is a new distribution model for commercial and independent artists and content providers, *including the CBC*, and provides services that would compete with Bell's TV offerings.

I would like to emphasize that this is unacceptable, and in my opinion, illegal, because they are using their monopoly to enforce their uncompetitive practises, and stifle fair competition.

More information is available at:
»arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···ing.html

[name here], as my representative in the government, I would like you to protect my consumer rights, and put a stop to this bullying. We are not their slaves, we helped build their network with tax subsidies, and grants.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

[name here]
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