Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | reply to Name
Re: Update on Throttling: Part 2...
The problem is we only really have anecdotal information that they're throttling anything other than P2P. Nobody has tried sending data through an SSH link and seeing if it caps at a stable 30KB/s |
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LiQuiD
BSD geek
Premium
join:2002-08-08
Anjou, QC | reply to Name
ANNNNNNNNNNNND if you use encrypted transmissions for email, even that will be slowed!  |
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InvalidError
join:2008-02-03
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
 ·Videotron
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said by jonlor  :said by InvalidError :Including Bell? Yep. The ultimate solution has to be beneficial to all parties involved. And like it or not, Bell is an involved party. Monopoly + unfair business practices = potential antitrust lawsuit. Since when are antitrust rulings meant to be mutually beneficial?
It would be nice to see Bell smacked with a $500M fine, a permanent injunction barring them from any further throttling on the wholesale side and another injunction barring them from raising their rates beyond inflation or cutting corners to recover their legal expenses for several years to come. |
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thm655321
join:2003-09-01
Canada
1 edit | said by InvalidError :said by jonlor :said by InvalidError :Including Bell? Yep. The ultimate solution has to be beneficial to all parties involved. And like it or not, Bell is an involved party. Monopoly + unfair business practices = potential antitrust lawsuit. Since when are antitrust rulings meant to be mutually beneficial? It would be nice to see Bell smacked with a $500M fine, a permanent injunction barring them from any further throttling on the wholesale side and another injunction barring them from raising their rates beyond inflation or cutting corners to recover their legal expenses for several years to come. Oh c'mon now. All corporations are in business to make money, and as much as they can. You can't fault a corporation for that. Hey, what if we cap all your future earnings to what you make today?
I'm against Bell on the throttling, but not against corporations making money. |
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anonman
@teksavvy.com
| reply to babaganush
I agree, the throttling seems to be lacking right now. (currently 400kb/s down)
This means either bell is switching areas on and off, or they are feeling the pressure of events.
If it is due to the pressure of events, I think this will just be temporary (day(s) or week(s)). I hope this does not detour the third party isp's as this is a situation that will without question be brought back in the future and perhaps under a more secure contract leaving less room for wiggle. |
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matradley
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Ontario
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| said by anonman :
I agree, the throttling seems to be lacking right now. (currently 400kb/s down)
This means either bell is switching areas on and off, or they are feeling the pressure of events.
If it is due to the pressure of events, I think this will just be temporary (day(s) or week(s)). I hope this does not detour the third party isp's as this is a situation that will without question be brought back in the future and perhaps under a more secure contract leaving less room for wiggle.
Maybe? Only thing I know is that my BAS (Ottawa) is still being throttled at the regular 30 KB/s. |
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InvalidError
join:2008-02-03
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Videotron
| reply to thm655321
said by thm655321 :Oh c'mon now. All corporations are in business to make money, and as much as they can. You can't fault a corporation for that. Hey, what if we cap all your future earnings to what you make today? Bell is engaging in anticompetitive behavior and there are laws to protect people and business from that.
And yes, laws are already capping the revenue I can get from racketeering, extortion, fraud and other activities... just like there are laws meant to prevent monopolies from abusing their position.
Microsoft was doing price gouging in the EU and got heavily fined for it. Microsoft defied the EU's interoperability ruling and they got heavily fined for it. Now, M$ is thinking twice before ignoring and appealing further decisions because so far, fines and penalties have only increased.
There are limits to how much monopolies can help themselves to other's pockets and interfere with other businesses' business. Bell needs to be reminded of that and a large fine with a few injunctions would go a long way towards making sure they will not forget the lesson any time soon. |
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derekm
join:2008-02-26 | reply to Guspaz
Good thing I'm using BSD.  |
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kevin3000
join:2008-02-19
Oakville, ON
| reply to R0CKY
Wow.....My DL is currently sitting at 450kB....not so throttles after all.
On the other hand my UL is at 7kB......seems like I just went back to Cogeco!
Same type of situation I was in before. Great download speeds (Cogeco was 1.2MB) and terrible upload speeds.
The throttling is very similar now to all the other large ISPs.
It doesn't seem to affect download speeds so much but it sure as hell kills download speeds! |
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derekm
join:2008-02-26
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to Guspaz
said by Guspaz :Nobody has tried sending data through an SSH link and seeing if it caps at a stable 30KB/s dd if=/dev/urandom of=tmp4M.bin count=4 bs=1M
4+0 records in
4+0 records out
4194304 bytes transferred in 0.592058 secs (7084280 bytes/sec)
$ scp tmp4M.bin xxx@yyy:~/
Password:
tmp4M.bin 100% 4096KB 81.9KB/s 00:50
I'm on a 5056/800 profile... |
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mr_hexen
join:2007-08-02
Brampton, ON | limewire is showing NO throttling, while torrents are...
8000+ seeds topped @ 30kB/sec.
2 limewire downloads connected to 9 hosts each, 530kB/sec....weird. |
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MaverickHL
join:2006-01-20
1 edit | reply to R0CKY
Also throttled, a bit worse though at 10KB/30KB. Seeding 10 downloading one anime. |
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matradley
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Ontario | As an alternative, if you want to anti-up 10 bucks US, you can go here and get HTTP downloads of anime - »www.animeground.com/ . |
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Trisomy21
join:2006-04-27
Kingston, ON
| reply to R0CKY
No throttling here yet either. But according to the google map there are people in this city (in the University area) which are being throttled.
Thinking this will be resolved in weeks is a pretty poor estimate, Bell's lawyers will probably manage to keep things tangled up for a good year or two. |
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MaverickHL
join:2006-01-20
| reply to matradley
said by matradley :As an alternative, if you want to anti-up 10 bucks US, you can go here and get HTTP downloads of anime - » www.animeground.com/ . Yes, although, what I seed and download are RAW no subs, I am mainly a person who seeds for fan sub. It just sux it is getting crippled. |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| reply to derekm
said by derekm :said by Guspaz :Nobody has tried sending data through an SSH link and seeing if it caps at a stable 30KB/s dd if=/dev/urandom of=tmp4M.bin count=4 bs=1M 4+0 records in 4+0 records out 4194304 bytes transferred in 0.592058 secs (7084280 bytes/sec) $ scp tmp4M.bin xxx@yyy:~/ Password: tmp4M.bin 100% 4096KB 81.9KB/s 00:50 I'm on a 5056/800 profile... You completely maxed out your upstream sending that file, which clearly means that SSH is not throttled on your connection. If you're throttled, you just blew a huge hole in the "everything that is encrypted" panic that's been flying around. If you're not throttled, then your test isn't very useful |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| reply to matradley
said by matradley :As an alternative, if you want to anti-up 10 bucks US, you can go here and get HTTP downloads of anime - » www.animeground.com/ . UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should anyone EVER PAY FOR FANSUBS.
These types of pay-download sites are looked upon with extreme derision by fansubbers, and admitting to using one will likely get you banned from any respectable anime site or community. |
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Name
@teksavvy.com | reply to derekm
tmp4M.bin 100% 4096KB 81.9KB/s 00:50 This is obviously a stupid question, but I assume you're in an area where use restrictions have been imposed? |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | reply to R0CKY
800kbit sync
100KB/s raw
13% connection overhead
87KB/s remaining
Now take some more off for SSH/SCP overhead, and random internet delays, and you're getting about as fast as we would expect. |
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MaverickHL
join:2006-01-20
| reply to Guspaz
said by Guspaz :said by matradley :As an alternative, if you want to anti-up 10 bucks US, you can go here and get HTTP downloads of anime - » www.animeground.com/ . UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should anyone EVER PAY FOR FANSUBS. These types of pay-download sites are looked upon with extreme derision by fansubbers, and admitting to using one will likely get you banned from any respectable anime site or community. You are correct on that one Guspaz, which is why I support the community by seeding (not so much now) RAW's from Japan. |
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