gatorkram
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join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
clubs: | reply to zed260
Re: now
I just hope they don't forget about all the other providers who are doing the same things.
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02 | I continue to think it's strange that Cox has avoided absolutely all fallout when we documented last fall how they're doing the exact same thing to P2P traffic... |
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Mike
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join:2000-09-17
Pittsburgh, PA
clubs:  | Comcast is a larger target and is in the media a lot more because of the sheer size and the mentality of anything large being evil. More microscopes (or in this case opening your eyes a bit) more dirt. |
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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join:2007-12-26
The Cloud | Plus they initially denied everything and only after getting caught finally owned up to what they were doing. |
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zed260
join:2007-09-30
Cleveland, TN | reply to Karl Bode
cox is honest at least when you ask them |
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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The Cloud | And on their site they clearly state their monthly caps (unlike Comcast). |
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Robb
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join:2001-03-11
Hillsboro, OR
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March 27th, @07:15PM
| reply to Karl Bode
Nothing has changed. Nothing. Nada. Zilch!
said by Karl Bode  :I continue to think it's strange that Cox has avoided absolutely all fallout when we documented last fall how they're doing the exact same thing to P2P traffic... I think it's strange that anyone believes a word that Comcast says. This is the Comcast that:
1. Told the FCC in 2005 that they would not degrade traffic in order to convince the FCC that network neutrality regulations were not needed.
2. Started degrading P2P traffic the very next year, and failed to tell anyone what they were doing.
3. Used a system that utilized forgery, and successfully placed blame on the other peer instead of Comcast.
4. Denied it when caught.
5. Then changed their story when the denials were not believed, but still never came out and said what they were doing.
6. Then they justified their actions by throwing their other Cable-Internet brothers and sisters under the bus with their "they do it too!" defense
7. Then stealthily changed the AUP days before an FCC filing where they referred to the new provisions.
8. When the changed AUP started getting press attention, they stated that a prominent story on Comcast.net alerted millions of visitors of the change and accused Marvin Ammori of crying wolf. (Google cache proved that nothing alerted users to the changed AUP until the day after the press started asking questions.)
9. Then they packed the Harvard FCC hearing.
This company has not demonstrated that you can trust its promises, nor can you believe its assertions. Comcast just used BitTorrent Inc. as a tool to try and defang the FCC.
BitTorrent Inc. is a content provider. Vuze, who actually DID make a complaint and petition to the FCC, is a competitor. Neither BitTorrent, Vuze, nor Comcast represents the interests of 12 million Comcast users nor the The Internet Society nor the public. And this middle-of-the-night deal was made without their input.
Nothing has changed. The RST interference continues. It was a wrongful act. BitTorrent Inc. has no right making a deal with Comcast allowing it to continue to commit wrongful acts until it finally decides it is ready to stop. The correct relief is to stop the interference immediately and to FULLY DISCLOSE what it did and to accept responsibility for those actions. (Even today, Comcast's Policy VP refused to answer questions about the interference.)
Their word is worthless. Until the interference stops, I have no reason to believe it will. Until either meaningful competition returns to broadband, or until sufficient government regulation enforces Network Neutrality, we have no reason to think that this agreement will last through the night.
Robb Topolski
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
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join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to zed260
Re: now
said by zed260 :cox is honest at least when you ask them I think that is the reason right there. The coverup is always worse than the act being covered up.
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BillRoland
McCain 2008
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join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
clubs:
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Its simple Karl Bode , Cox never denied it and has been more open about it. Nobody can accuse them of a cover up, conspiracy theories, etc, it takes the wind right out of the fall out sails.
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zed260
join:2007-09-30
Cleveland, TN | reply to RadioDoc
in my opinion id rather pay 300 dollors a month for an honest internet provider then a penny for a dishonest one |
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
Premium
join:2007-12-26
The Cloud | For a penny, I'll take the dishonest one, but $46-$56? No way. |
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LeftOfSanity
join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE
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March 28th, @08:03AM
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said by zed260 :in my opinion id rather pay 300 dollors a month for an honest internet provider then a penny for a dishonest one Said the pirate. lol
Edit: Not saying you are personally, just thought that was funny. |
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VariableARK
join:2003-03-17
USA
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agreed, if you don't like comcasts practices, go to another provider, there are plenty of providers out there that DONT block traffic, or that are honest. Vote with your dollars, thats how capitalism is supposed to work, not with constant government intervention. |
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King P
Don't blame me. I voted for Ron Paul
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join:2004-11-17
Inman, SC | especially when comcast is one of your TWO choices for internet providers, with the other being AT&T. Yep capitalism at it's finest right here... |
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VariableARK
join:2003-03-17
USA
| I nearly guarantee that there are other smaller providers in your area, you just need to look. And on the very off chance that there isn't, if you care enough and there is a market for it, start your own ISP. Simple, capitalism is a self-regulating system; a Ron Paul voter should know that  |
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Robb
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Hillsboro, OR
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March 28th, @02:54PM
| said by VariableARK :I nearly guarantee that there are other smaller providers in your area, the FCC killed that possibility in 2005.
While you're right that nothing prevents new companies from joining the fray, any new carrier has to lay its own redundant infrastructure, tearing up the rights-of-ways just to place their fiber on top of Verizon's fiber, or their copper along side of AT&T's copper, or their coaxial cable atop Comcast's.
And after they're done tearing up the town, let's watch the companies fight it out as they blame each other for cutting wires or interfering with signals on wet crossed lines.
Dumb way to go -- there are plenty of rich people who could be investors, but there's not a lot of dumb rich people who would invest in such a perilous venture.
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