[OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything in All things Macintosh http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20239063 en Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:38:55 EDT Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:38:55 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463903 sporkme :
said by sparky672 See Profile :

Too bad it's SATA only.
Not too easy to stuff in a laptop bag either. Would be a very handy desktop accessory though for anyone regularly needing to fiddle with or image drives.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20463903 Sun, 11 May 2008 00:45:12 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461041 sparky672 :
said by dave49er See Profile :

A little more expensive, but I think it's easier to use and more convenient:

»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···17153066

I've used it with both a MAc and a PC.
I like that one a lot... very quick & convenient.

Too bad it's SATA only.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20461041 Sat, 10 May 2008 11:06:44 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20459451 dave49er : A little more expensive, but I think it's easier to use and more convenient:

»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···17153066

I've used it with both a MAc and a PC.
Click for full size
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20459451 Fri, 09 May 2008 22:08:26 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457442 sparky672 : Whatever the price or supplier, this is a great little device to have around.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457442 Fri, 09 May 2008 14:23:12 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457426 djrobx : That looks exactly like the one I have, except it's updated to work with 2.5" drives. The drivers CD is for windows 98/2000 before USB mass storage drivers were included with the OS. Mine works fine with Mac and PC alike.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457426 Fri, 09 May 2008 14:19:06 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457114 sparky672 :
said by sporkme See Profile :

said by sparky672 See Profile :

This device has saved my butt a couple times...

»eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20···V2SPATA/
Those are great. Here's a similar item that I use that's 1/3 the price:

»www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId···pc=RECOM

Works fine under 10.4 and 10.5, native support in the OS.
Why does it say it's for Windows only and come with a drivers CD?

If it works just the same, it's a steal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20457114 Fri, 09 May 2008 13:25:44 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20456975 neuronbob :
said by sporkme See Profile :

Those are great. Here's a similar item that I use that's 1/3 the price:

»www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId···pc=RECOM

Works fine under 10.4 and 10.5, native support in the OS.
Thanks for that, just ordered one. I have a bunch of old laptop drives just sitting around that I can use for backup.
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said by sparky672 See Profile :

This device has saved my butt a couple times...

»eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20···V2SPATA/
Those are great. Here's a similar item that I use that's 1/3 the price:

»www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId···pc=RECOM

Works fine under 10.4 and 10.5, native support in the OS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20456954 Fri, 09 May 2008 12:55:20 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20456113 sparky672 :
said by Joe12345678 See Profile :

The power mac g4 only has usb 1.1 a firewire one is better.
All true.

But...

1. It's backward compatible and will still work on USB 1.1 albeit very slowly.

2. OWC doesn't have a firewire version of this device. If you know of one, please link to it. More computers have USB than FW anyway making it most versatile for nearly all situations.

3. I assumed that anyone interested in my suggestion, buying a troubleshooting device that interfaces every possible HDD configuration through USB, would also have another computer with USB 2.0.

4. USB 2.0 cards are very cheap.

It's a very handy device to have lying around... allowing you to connect virtually any bare hard drive to any USB equipped computer in just a few seconds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20456113 Fri, 09 May 2008 10:24:04 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455880 Joe12345678 : The power mac g4 only has usb 1.1 a firewire one is better.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455880 Fri, 09 May 2008 09:50:31 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455650 Count Zero : disconnect the optical drive and put the bad drive on it's own IDE controller and try booting.
Sorry Joako already hit this one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455650 Fri, 09 May 2008 09:08:03 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455407 brianko : I would have much rather preferred a Seagate over an IBM in my G4...as it is, I've found a way to modify the partition table on the bad drive to a degraded RAID...I'm in the process of "rebuilding" the drive on another drive. Long, slow process, but it beats the alternative of trying to get everything onto DVDs...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20455407 Fri, 09 May 2008 07:37:14 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20454633 Homunculus : My G4 Powermac didn't come with an IBM DS HDD.

Seagate as a matter of fact.
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The G4 uses the IBM DeskStar, a drive not known for its reliability. My G4 has been running continuously for several years, and a recent power bump brought the computer up in the dreaded "flashing folder" mode. No drive detected by the DiskUtility. Opened cover, lo and behold, the drive was indeed dead.

Sometimes drives get "stuck" and need a bit of help to get spinning. After tapping around with the plastic handle of a screwdriver with no luck, I unplugged the power cable and then plugged it back in, figuring that the extra bit of torque from power-up might be enough to free the drive.

It worked! Now I'm doing what I probably should have been doing already -- making backups.

So, the moral of the story is if you have a dead G4 drive, at least pop the side door open, fire it up, and tap around the drive. If that doesn't work, *carefully* remove the power plug from the drive (yes, while it's powered up) and reinstall. That might be enough to get the platters spinning again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20454499 Thu, 08 May 2008 23:13:22 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244672 tango_bob : Hard drives fails, tires go flat, and bread gets stale. Nothing you can do about it.

Is the drive even spinning> While booted just put you're fingers on it and feel for vibrations.

With both drives hooked up, when booted off the functional drive, if you go to System Profiler, what show up under ATA?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244672 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:35:58 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243760 Jade_simone : They were both working together for almost a year now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243760 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:02:42 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243608 joako : Try to replace the CDrom with the old hard drive sometimes certain drives don't get along with each other.
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»eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20···V2SPATA/

If your drive is physically damaged in some way, nothing short of MAYBE professional recovery will help you, but if you just have to get your data into another computer, this will very easily do the trick.

You can do the same thing with an old external Firewire enclosure too but not everyone has one laying around.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20241709 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:30:19 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20241458 Jade_simone :
said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Does it just shut off or is there some intermediate screen? If the computer won't even come on with the bad drive connected it's almost certainly overloading the power supply making it shut down. That's an indication of a failed (shorted) component in the drive and no amount of jumper setting is going to help. A simple test is to set up the computer so that it boots, then try it again with the bad drive connected to power only (no IDE cable) and if the computer won't come on the drive has a short on the 5 volt or 12 volt line.
The computer itself starts up with it hooked up. Its just not appearing in my Finder or Disk utility.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20241458 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:51:18 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239452 Jade_simone : its not poping up there either]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239452 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:46:08 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239437 Thinkdiff : Check Disk Utility.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239437 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:41:06 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239405 Jade_simone : I put the old HD to slave. But its still not showing up in finder.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239405 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:30:51 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239320 RadioDoc : "Now when I try to hook up my other HD to get the stuff off of it, it shuts down my computer."

Does it just shut off or is there some intermediate screen? If the computer won't even come on with the bad drive connected it's almost certainly overloading the power supply making it shut down. That's an indication of a failed (shorted) component in the drive and no amount of jumper setting is going to help. A simple test is to set up the computer so that it boots, then try it again with the bad drive connected to power only (no IDE cable) and if the computer won't come on the drive has a short on the 5 volt or 12 volt line.
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To OP: can you try connecting only the old main drive and boot up from the install CD to see if it is recognized at all? Open Disk Utility from the Utilities menu and see if it pops up in there. Do you hear any strange sounds from the HD? Clicks?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239236 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:30:07 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239222 Green Day : I believe shes talking about just the IDe connections, not the jumpers. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239222 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:26:03 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239213 Thinkdiff : Are you sure the jumpers are correct? The HD on the end of the IDE cable should be set to "Master". The HD on the middle of the cable should be "Slave". For simplicity anyway.

Edit: Like posted above, might want to start looking into pro recovery if you know the drive is bad. The less you continue to use the drive the better.

I would try to get the computer to at least see the HDs first though. Could be something simple. Just my opinion.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239213 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:23:45 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239203 X Man :
said by jadev :

Is there anyway to get the data off of my dead HD?
Pay for pro recovery or maybe you could try and freeze the hard drive. Don't try and boot from the dead drive, and try & use an external firewire enclosure, maybe even keeping the HDD & enclosure in the freezer while trying to recover files. You won't have much time, if it works. 20 minutes, maybe.

I've never tried it, but have heard numerous success stories.

YMMV

Regards,
Mike]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239203 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:20:43 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239192 anon : I switched the HDs so, the secondary one is now the main one, and the main one is now the secondary one. I had the new main one hooked up alone and i did the option thing and i was able to select it. When both are connected, I dont get any options. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239192 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:18:24 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239183 Thinkdiff : If you have a "secondary" HD, it's jumpers should be set to Slave. If you remove "master" HD and boot the computer with only 1 HD attached, you'll need to reconfigure the jumpers.

If she has both HDs connected properly, and at least 1 is working alone, but nothing shows up when both connected, I'm inclined to think the first step in troubleshooting is checking the jumpers in relation to the HD's placement on the IDE cable (master or slave).

It's rare that an HD is so messed up that it forces other HDs in the computer to not be read at all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239183 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:16:13 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239161 Green Day : I don't think the jumpers have anything to do with it, as they never changed from before the crash and after. I'm a good friend of Jade V and I can tell you this is for sure. So if she never changed the jumpers, how could that cause the problem? Also, i don't think she knows what the jumpers are.

Just tryin to help]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239161 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:09:04 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239144 Thinkdiff : And there isn't anything showing up above those? What about if you only have the secondary drive connected? Does something show up then?

Make sure you're setting the jumpers correctly on the HDs when you're running one alone or both at the same time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239144 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:05:52 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239140 anon : i get a refresh type arrow, and a next type arrow. The next arrow doesn't do anything. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239140 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:04:40 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239121 Thinkdiff : Even after holding down option while starting up the computer? You don't get a list of system folders to start up from?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239121 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:59:16 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239105 anon : It has the ? on the folder. I tried it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239105 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:55:07 EDT Re: [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239087 Thinkdiff : You mean you tried plugging in the HD while the computer was turned on? Not a very good idea...

What happens if you start the computer up when both HDs connected? Hold down the Option key to tell the computer to boot off the second HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239087 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:51:24 EDT [OS X] Hard drive dead in Powermac G4, lost everything http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239063 anon : My mac crashed this morning. Its a PowerPC G4. I had a few programs open including FireFox, WoW, iChat, iTunes and Adium. I left my computer for a moment, and when I came back my iTunes music was glitching, all the windows were frozen, and the mouse icon was spinning, but not if I pointed it on the desktop. I restarted it, but on the start up screen all I saw was a folder with a ? on it. I put in the start up disk for leopard hoping to reinstall it, but it could not find either of my hard drives to install it on, but it did find my ipod. I disconnected my main HD, and only had my secondary one on. It installed just fine on it. Now when I try to hook up my other HD to get the stuff off of it, it shuts down my computer.

Is there anyway to get the data off of my dead HD? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20239063 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:46:43 EDT