Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20240233 en Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:57:46 EDT Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:57:46 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20251985 anon :
said by Skeedatl See Profile :

A few sites? Try all of the most popular ones.

Ever seen an electron? No? I guess by your logic they must not exist.
electrons don't exist. They are an abstract concept used in physics to represent certain observations. The underlying nature of the physical universe is analogue (waves, vbrations, etc..) not bits of matter.
:) -Karl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20251985 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:17:09 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20250921 jubangy :
said by Silly Fool :

Piracy equals progress! It always has...(from the printing press to today's supposed illegal downloading)
From apple to microsoft]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20250921 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:30:27 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245266 KrK : Somewhere between 1% and 100%.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245266 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:21:30 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245065 Speedy8 : Well, the main difference is that when you download a show via P2P, copies are being made and distributed. I'm sure if you were at home making thousands of copies of VHS tapes of shows without commercials and gave them to people it might be an issue. Personally I have no problems with people downloading TV shows, but I can see the argument vs just letting a friend borrow a tape you made or keeping it for your own use.

A more comparable analogy is recording a show yourself on your PC as a file instead of using a VHS tape.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245065 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:44:02 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243939 Kearnstd : id ask the MPAA/RIAA to show me proof that if piracy went away tommorrow that prices would drop to compensate for the fact they dont need to fight it.

nope prices wouldnt fall, infact they would skyrocket because they wouldnt have to compete with free.
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What does bloviating about *your* definition of "file sharing" have to do with what she saw? Check the top results on torrent sites to see what people are downloading.....it ain't legal.

I don't really care what people do or don't download, it's not my problem. But let's lose the ridiculous claims about "but, but I only download LEGAL *insert file type* files!!!" when we all know that's a crock in most cases. Legal files are "also" downloaded, but they are in no way the majority.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243078 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:07:26 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20242559 Nightshade : There has been no studies done on what percentage of file sharing is legal and what is not legal. So it's all conjecture and assumptions.

The fact is that simply put, no one knows.
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said by Skeedatl See Profile :

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
Lets agree to disagree and let the users decide.
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said by Edge1 See Profile :

said by hopeflicker See Profile :

said by BF69 See Profile :

You probably think download a copy of your favorite movie or TV show via torrent is legal don't you?
I find it equivalent to recording it to DVR or Tape.

My isp/tv provider is Verizon. Why should it matter if the ones and zeros are sent to my DVR or computer? :uhh:
I'd just like to point out that this is quality work :p (the graphic).

Bet you didnt know i was a full time artist by day, did ya ;)
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said by hopeflicker See Profile :

said by BF69 See Profile :

You probably think download a copy of your favorite movie or TV show via torrent is legal don't you?
I find it equivalent to recording it to DVR or Tape.

My isp/tv provider is Verizon. Why should it matter if the ones and zeros are sent to my DVR or computer? :uhh:
I'd just like to point out that this is quality work :p (the graphic).

Actually, the article mentions "clogged up" pipes. Are there really any clogged up pipes? I mean, I don't have any problems consistently getting the full speed I paid for (DSL).

And I'm glad the article pointed out the loss of customers potential. Really, a lot of customers paying for that super-fast speed may opt down to the lowest tier or switch ISPs completely. Not a good business move except for, perhaps, the RIAA/MPAA. And that's truly debatable as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20242151 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:44:18 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20242123 anon : Umm you obviously are anti downloading copyright stuff from Bit Torrent.

Have you heard of Hulu, Joost or Fancast? Watched a Full Epidsode of your favorite TV show or caught a movie on these sites or on ABC, CBS, NBC, etc...?

If you have or have heard of these legal alternatives its because of our supposed pirate activities! We can thank piracy for these legal sites and thank the Pirate Bay guys for being pioneers!

Piracy equals progress! It always has...(from the printing press to today's supposed illegal downloading)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20242123 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:40:36 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20241801 anon :
said by supergirl See Profile :

Just when I didn't think I could find a more ridiculous comment. :uhh:
Haha. This is hilarity. It is OK for you to use that reasoning but when it is turned around you it is unacceptable and ridiculous? This is what the word hypocrite in the English language refers to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20241801 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:37:42 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20241945 hopeflicker :
said by BF69 See Profile :

You probably think download a copy of your favorite movie or TV show via torrent is legal don't you?
I find it equivalent to recording it to DVR or Tape.

My isp/tv provider is Verizon. Why should it matter if the ones and zeros are sent to my DVR or computer? :uhh:
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bit torrent was created for bootleggers, by a fan of booleg concert recordings. it was created to help bootleggers share LEGALLY recorded concerts with fans of music, and other "tapers" (bootleggers).

there is still a very highly active community of "traders" who share LEGALLY recorded concerts amongst fans. what percentage this is, who cares? honestly :uhh: it's a bunch of people who actually care about sharing something they've recorded with people who actually care about listening to it.
look up archive.org or bt.etree.org sometime. legal recordings. lots of people know about these places :uhh:

torrents are also used by world of warcraft and MANY other games for updates/patches/installers/etc. there are just as many legal uses for this as there are illegal uses.

here's another thought about "file sharing"
you're doing it right now. you just shared a file by viewing this post. you share files when you copy anything anywhere. better stop the whole internet. better stop all communications now. if it can be viewed, heard, or both, it can be copied. should we outlaw microphones? video cameras? tacos? ...wait, you cant copy a taco digitally... yet...

I am going to state that 99% of all file sharing is perfectly legal. I'm probably not the first to state this either. Wow. copy a word document from laptop to desktop? wow, that's file sharing. copy a news article to your browser? sharing. copy anything from one system to another and it could be considered sharing.

sometimes I wonder why people can forget the most obvious things right in front of their faces, and then I remember that most people can't tell the difference between what they actually think and what they're told to think ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20241629 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:30:16 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20241569 jp10558 : Movie, no. TV Show?
Probably not legal, but much harder IMO to defend being illegial.

I can tape a TV show to VHS (and edit out commercials) and watch it later. That's legal. I can take that tape to a different location and watch it, and it's legal. I'm pretty sure most people would also think it's reasonable for me to give that tape to a friend and that would still be legal.

But if I download that show after it airs from a torrent (at a reduced quality if it's a 350MB XviD file) - that's illegial. This gets back to this color of the bits essay - it's kind of retarded IMO.
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said by Skeedatl See Profile :

... the first few pages of results are all copyrighted, stuff ...
How do you know it is copyrighted stuff? You must have downloaded something, played it, and saw it was. Right? Hmmmmm so you violated copyright laws? There is NO OTHER way to identify copyright infringement.

These "guesstimates" of illegal P2P use are meaningless suppositions, which can't withstand legal scrutiny.

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said by prestonlewis See Profile :

said by supergirl See Profile :

said by Alphy See Profile :

Where did you read that it was 1%? Please link me to that
I believe it was in the NY Times a few years ago.

I've went to Torrent sites. All I saw was illegal stuff. So, I bet the 99% of file-sharing is illegal is probably correct.
No, no, no. You got it backwards. The NYT said only 1% was illegal. I recently visited a torrent site and everything I saw was legal. I'm sure 99% of file-sharing is legal is probably correct.

Opinions. You can warp 'em any way you want!
Are you high? You probably think download a copy of your favorite movie or TV show via torrent is legal don't you?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240796 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:04:23 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240772 jimbo2150 :
said by Skeedatl See Profile :

A few sites? Try all of the most popular ones.
Does that equate to ALL file sharing? No.

said by Skeedatl See Profile :

Ever seen an electron? No? I guess by your logic they must not exist.
Noone really knows for sure, but at least there is enough SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to show that most-likely they do exist.

What scientific evidence is there that all (or most) file sharing is illegal? A few readily-disproved statistics in a few hardly-scientific newspapers or magazines? A couple of Joes browsing the internet and making claims based on their viewing of less than 0.01% of the internet?
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Ever seen an electron? No? I guess by your logic they must not exist.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240609 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:28:57 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240578 jimbo2150 :
said by Skeedatl See Profile :

It's a shame we don't run the country using more common sense.
Clearly.

Just because you saw a few sites that have some copyrighted material on them does not mean you can claim that most file sharing is illegal. Just because you do not know of the websites or have only seen one of them that have non-copyrighted material does not mean you can claim that either wise. When you come back with actual research done by a reputable organization using sound research methods (not the "Look, a couple of illegal file sharing sites, all of them must be illegal!" method) I will believe you.

P.S. - Running a search for "legal file sharing" will not give you a list of all legal file sharing sites. Sometimes -- just sometimes -- it takes a bit more than Googling a search term to find what you are looking for.
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said by prestonlewis See Profile :

said by supergirl See Profile :

said by Alphy See Profile :

Where did you read that it was 1%? Please link me to that
I believe it was in the NY Times a few years ago.

I've went to Torrent sites. All I saw was illegal stuff. So, I bet the 99% of file-sharing is illegal is probably correct.
No, no, no. You got it backwards. The NYT said only 1% was illegal. I recently visited a torrent site and everything I saw was legal. I'm sure 99% of file-sharing is legal is probably correct.

Opinions. You can warp 'em any way you want!
So me a torrent search engine that has 99% of their top results legal items, cause I can show you lots that are 99% (or more) illegal items.

These opinions are soundly based on observation. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240454 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:56:14 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240394 tiger72 : Go with yer gut!

How bout them Dubya Em Dees?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240394 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:42:02 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240386 tiger72 : irony much?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240386 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:41:24 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240345 moonpuppy :
said by supergirl See Profile :

I believe it was in the NY Times a few years ago.

I've went to Torrent sites. All I saw was illegal stuff. So, I bet the 99% of file-sharing is illegal is probably correct.
Yeah, we can really believe the NY Times. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240345 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:35:11 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240343 booticon : Says the person who went to torrent sites where ALL THEY HAVE IS COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL. Yeah, that's the *only* place to get stuff via BitTorrent.

That 1% is probably right, given the sheer amount of copyright infringement that is done, but you've gotta find more evidence than a random NYT article you can't find and your searches through teh torrentz.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240343 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:34:48 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240313 supergirl :
said by prestonlewis See Profile :

said by supergirl See Profile :

said by Alphy See Profile :

Where did you read that it was 1%? Please link me to that
I believe it was in the NY Times a few years ago.

I've went to Torrent sites. All I saw was illegal stuff. So, I bet the 99% of file-sharing is illegal is probably correct.
No, no, no. You got it backwards. The NYT said only 1% was illegal. I recently visited a torrent site and everything I saw was legal. I'm sure 99% of file-sharing is legal is probably correct.

Opinions. You can warp 'em any way you want!
Just when I didn't think I could find a more ridiculous comment. :uhh:
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said by supergirl See Profile :

said by Alphy See Profile :

Where did you read that it was 1%? Please link me to that
I believe it was in the NY Times a few years ago.

I've went to Torrent sites. All I saw was illegal stuff. So, I bet the 99% of file-sharing is illegal is probably correct.
No, no, no. You got it backwards. The NYT said only 1% was illegal. I recently visited a torrent site and everything I saw was legal. I'm sure 99% of file-sharing is legal is probably correct.

Opinions. You can warp 'em any way you want!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240282 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:25:55 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240264 supergirl :
said by Alphy See Profile :

Where did you read that it was 1%? Please link me to that
I believe it was in the NY Times a few years ago.

I've went to Torrent sites. All I saw was illegal stuff. So, I bet the 99% of file-sharing is illegal is probably correct.
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It's a shame we don't run the country using more common sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240246 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:14:56 EDT Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240233 hopeflicker : Let's just go ahead and "believe" or "have a feeling" because of what we see.

Good thing we dont run our country this way. no, wait...
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If you have different, post the fact and link.

Don't give me the stealing is okay argument. Just facts.
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