Re: Add affirmative action to the bidding in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20240601 en Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:47:09 EDT Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:47:09 EDT Re: Add affirmative action to the bidding http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20560055 firewater88 : This was posted in a recent S&V contractor mag.

"We now know who the winners are. On March 20, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) announced that telecom giants Verizon Wireless and AT&T took home the big prizes. Verizon bid $9.6 billion for most of the licenses in the prime 700MHz radio spectrum. AT&T won most of the regional licenses with bids totaling $6.6 billion.

While Google did bid on the spectrum, its top bid barely surpassed the $4.6-billion minimum. It was enough clout to give the online search king what it really wanted: making certain that spectrum owners can't block out Internet or telecom rivals."

looks like the BIG guys won]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20560055 Thu, 29 May 2008 19:32:42 EDT Re: Add affirmative action to the bidding http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20242132 RadioDoc :
said by nasadude See Profile :

So far, the incumbents are doing their best to FUD up the process
Not nearly as much as uninformed pro-white-space Internet "experts" have done to spread utterly false information.
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The UHF TV band is entirely different.

As a practical matter, even if permitted, you'll never see any deployment in those "under-served" areas. There is no money it it or they would already be 'served'.

There is already a real third alternative to dsl/cable in unlicensed spectrum. They are called WISPs. See if you can find one and next time check your facts before posting.
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said by Sammer See Profile :

The dirty little secret is that they hope everyone moves to cable or satellite and free TV dies.
Yes, it would be to Cable's (and satellite/FiOS/UVerse's) advantage if the new, competing free digital TV service didn't work so well. After all, that's how they built their business way back when, competing with crappy over-the-air analog signals.

And all the communication companies would LOVE to see all that gigantic, medium range VHF & UHF bandwidth relicensed to subscription services whether they are TV, phone, net or whatever.

Right now, thanks to some effort in putting up and aiming antennas, I have free digital TV with NO stream errors. I'm certain that will change if other devices using the band become common.

And no I don't work for a broadcaster, I'm just enjoying not having to pay the monopolistic, customer-hating cable company.
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said by nasadude See Profile :

you've said this before, so I'll say what I did before - there are these things called "standards". 802.11 seems to be working out OK.

For this to succeed, they have to set good standards that prevent interference. So far, the incumbents are doing their best to FUD up the process, we'll see if they succeed or not.
The standards have already been reduced before the first device has even been successfully tested. The television spectrum is too crowded for these things to ever work everywhere if the FCC actually against the wishes of the White Space Coalition ever approved the standards that assured they didn't interfere. If they were really interested in standards these devices would be restricted to the low VHF channels for the first ten years. The dirty little secret is that they hope everyone moves to cable or satellite and free TV dies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240929 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:28:46 EDT Re: Add affirmative action to the bidding http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240601 digitalfreak :
said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

said by ieolus See Profile :

I think if it stays unlicensed and the Google coalition does start providing cheap broadband to customers, the incumbents will flood the spectrum with interference to mess with them.
It will be the unlicensed users that would be created by this groups advocacy that would cause the interference.

Google & the others makes a big deal about how spectrum sensing devices can allow all these devices to interact harmoniously in an unlicensed band of frequencies while not causing harm to nearby licensed frequencies. But once these bands are opened to unlicensed devices, all hell can break loose. To expect all manufacturers to cooperate and make sure their devices work properly is a fantasy - especially with all the equipment coming from China.

If these devices were licensed, I'd have less concerns.
Your inner shill is showing again. It's quite obvious the carriers want the spectrum licensed and auctioned so they can buy up it all up and sit on it in order to keep competitors out of the market.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240601 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:27:18 EDT Re: Add affirmative action to the bidding http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240498 nasadude :
said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

.. But once these bands are opened to unlicensed devices, all hell can break loose. To expect all manufacturers to cooperate and make sure their devices work properly is a fantasy - especially with all the equipment coming from China...
you've said this before, so I'll say what I did before - there are these things called "standards". 802.11 seems to be working out OK.

For this to succeed, they have to set good standards that prevent interference. So far, the incumbents are doing their best to FUD up the process, we'll see if they succeed or not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240498 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:03:27 EDT Re: Add affirmative action to the bidding http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240486 Skeedatl : I'm saying, let them license it, but set restrictions as to who can bid. For example, the bidder has to have less than X% market share.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240486 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:01:20 EDT Re: Add affirmative action to the bidding http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240381 ieolus : That makes no sense in the light of WiFi equipment which is all in unlicensed spectrum.

But since WiFi doesn't directly threaten incumbunt broadband revenues, they don't interfere.

I guarantee if we saw a real third alternative to dsl/cable emerge in this unlicensed spectrum, we will see plenty of dirty tricks.
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said by ieolus See Profile :

I think if it stays unlicensed and the Google coalition does start providing cheap broadband to customers, the incumbents will flood the spectrum with interference to mess with them.
It will be the unlicensed users that would be created by this groups advocacy that would cause the interference.

Google & the others makes a big deal about how spectrum sensing devices can allow all these devices to interact harmoniously in an unlicensed band of frequencies while not causing harm to nearby licensed frequencies. But once these bands are opened to unlicensed devices, all hell can break loose. To expect all manufacturers to cooperate and make sure their devices work properly is a fantasy - especially with all the equipment coming from China.

If these devices were licensed, I'd have less concerns.
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I think if it stays unlicensed and the Google coalition does start providing cheap broadband to customers, the incumbents will flood the spectrum with interference to mess with them.
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"Speak for yourself "Chadmaster" - lesopp]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240281 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:25:37 EDT Add affirmative action to the bidding http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240258 Skeedatl : The large companies got their cut, time to reserve space for smaller competitors.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20240258 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:16:57 EDT