psx_defector
join:2001-06-09
Allen, TX
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Re: Waiting with "baited breath" in Lisle for improved QOS
said by rblomeyer  :Blah, Blah, Blah There is an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation called "The Tapestry" that I quote whenever I see this amount of junk.
"To be blunt, you're not that important."
But please, keep on thinking this way. Maybe my Alcoa stock will increase with all the tin foil you must be buying. |
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Waterbug
join:2008-03-30
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said by rblomeyer :I feel better. This was fun! We should do this again sometime!! (unpack & play attachment) I'd love to, but common sense tells me not to download anything from a stranger who is on a rant.  |
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wings10
I Am Legend
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South Elgin, IL
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| Funny think is he won't even go to any other online speed test. He keeps running the same test on the same site but then types the results instead.
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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.jpg "38949 bytes")
Fastest download I have seen on Pro. |
said by rblomeyer :Two points: 1. I don't trust performance data as reported by tools provided by either telcos or service providers. I do trust Argonne because they have nothing to gain or lose by biasing their metrics. Do you have a link to that test? The site is very large, and a brief attempt at navigation drew a blank on speed test.
I'm not suggesting anything other than that our opinions about which broadband performance metrics are "trustworthy" differ substantially. You have your rationale for your beliefs, and I have mine.
I have, on occasion, seen my download run at 309kB/s, which is right about the maximum (in Bytes) for the Pro package (see the screen shot).
I have never had a need to contact AT&T (or, before the name change, SBC) tech support about DSL line issues. The only problems ever had were with the voice line (spilled over to the DSL side).
I did contact SBC Direct once about a speed issue; relied on the SBC speed test to show that my throughput was half, or less than my synch speed. They changed me to a different aggregation router, which did fix the issue.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
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StillLearn
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Streamwood, IL
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| said by NormanS :Do you have a link to that test? The site is very large, and a brief attempt at navigation drew a blank on speed test. »miranda.ctd.anl.gov:7123/ |
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Dennis
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join:2001-01-26
Algonquin, IL | reply to rblomeyer
You really should just go post in AT&T Direct, and ask somebody to look at your line. Using just speed tests is like trying to diagnose a car engine with just a hammer. |
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Waterbug
join:2008-03-30
| said by Dennis : Using just speed tests is like trying to diagnose a car engine with just a hammer. Wrong analogy! In the old days befor onboard computer diagnostics, a hammer was sometimes the only thing that worked.  |
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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AT&T Speed Test results. |
said by rblomeyer :Here's mine from Argonne's ANL server. My results from Argonne Laboratry:
quote:
TCP/Web100 Network Diagnostic Tool v5.5.1
click START to begin
Connected to: miranda.ctd.anl.gov -- Using IPv4 address
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
checking for firewalls . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client-to-server [C2S]) . . . . . 373.0kb/s
running 10s inbound test (server-to-client [S2C]) . . . . . . 1.84Mb/s
Your PC is connected to a Cable/DSL modem
My results from the Stanford NDT:
quote:
TCP/Web100 Network Diagnostic Tool v5.4.12
click START to begin
Connected to: netspeed.stanford.edu -- Using IPv4 address
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
checking for firewalls . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client-to-server [C2S]) . . . . . 426.0kb/s
running 10s inbound test (server-to-client [S2C]) . . . . . . 2.59Mb/s
Your PC is connected to a Cable/DSL modem
Information [S2C]: Packet queuing detected
A couple of trace routes:
And...
I don't know if being closer to Stanford than the Argonne National Laboratory is the difference, or network congestion between my location and Argonne. FWIW, I have also included a screen shot of my latest AT&T Speed Test result; I test to Pleasanton, California.
There is a significant difference between the AT&T results and the Argonne results. There is only a very minor difference between the AT&T results and the Stanford results.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
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rblomeyer
join:2007-08-30
Lisle, IL
| Based on some of the reactions my last posting drew from a "faction" within the forum's regulars, I think I struck a nerve...
One of the easiest ways to identify forum participants who have "covert agendas" is first publicly define (out) the agenda (whatever it may be) and then watch while the discussion participants having or representing whateveer the related ideological viewpoint or "interest" may be distinguish/identify themselves by the volume and negativity of the individual's reactions.
Rather than engaging in a boring exchange of views about which site has a more accurate "speed tester," let's revisit a more important issue for this forum's readers.
This posting isn't a rant. It's about truth and honesty in public discourse. Readers who care about these subjects are invited to read on. But be warned I'm about to shift the focus from "technology" to social philosophy.
David Collingridge is a British analytic philosopher who's written much about the impacts of technologies on culture and society. One of his best books is entitled "The Social Control of Technology." (1980) I won't get into the details, but a readable summary of his premise can be read here: .
The Collingridge book explores his premise, illustrates it with case-studies based on historical events triggered by the release and diffusion of many different technologies, and ends by proposing some "decision rules" that are potentially useful for avoiding some "unintended consequences that often follow decision made to adopt or "buy into" particular technologies.
My favorite from the Collingridge recommendations about limiting or reducing collateral damage from adopting wrong or technologies by de-empahsizing influence from "expert opinion."
"An expert is traditionally seen as neutral, disinterested, unbiased and likely to agree with his peers. On the view proposed here, none of these qualities can be attributed. Instead, an expert is best seen as a committed advocate, matching his opinion with other experts who take a different view of data available to them in a critical battle." (Collingridge, op cit, P.12)
I believe it's in everyone's' best interest (particularly readers' choosing not to post) for participants to honestly identify the nature of their expertise and whether or not they're employees of telco's or service providers.
I'll start! I'm an educational policy analyst and my specialty is educational technology policy and practice. That quote is from my published Doctoral dissertation (1985) from the University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign entitled:
"The Use of Computer-based Foreign Language Instruction in Foreign Language Teaching: An Ethnographically Oriented Study" by R.L. Blomeyer. (It's in the UIUC card catalogue.)
I'm not now and have never been employed by any technology vendor or service provider and have no "interest" except promoting an honest and open exchange of ideas in this (and other) public forums and enabling better instructional applications of technologies supporting teaching and learning in our nation's schools.
I challenge other participants in this exchange to identify both their expertise and employers.
Further, speaking as a "policy analyst," I challenge the forum managers of dslreports.com to require forum participants employed by TELCOS and service providers to publicly identify their affiliations as a prerequisite for continuing to participate in discussions.
Not doing so risks encouraging misrepresentation, dishonesty and occasional "intimidation" of forum participants by persons who may not be altogether honest about their reasons or motives.
I commend Waterbug who said this about the attachment (sound file) to my previous posting: "I'd love to, but common sense tells me not to download anything from a stranger who is on a rant." Wise choice!
It's a great sound clip; downloaded from here:
»www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/wav/better.wav
Under present circumstances, maybe an even better one is:
»www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/wav/stresspi.wav
rblomeyer (BobBl) |
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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| I am not employed in the communications industry (Telco), or the entertainment industry (Cableco); never was. Nothing more technical than component level repair for Hewlett Packard.
I am just reporting my own experiences, and test results.
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Norman
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wings10
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Here my speed test from The AT&T site. |
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Dennis
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Dude you gonna post in the Direct forum and get somebody to take an official look at your line or not? Cause I got a shit ton of other things to do in life more important than beg you to let us help you.
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psx_defector
join:2001-06-09
Allen, TX
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said by rblomeyer :I'm not now and have never been employed by any technology vendor or service provider and have no "interest" except promoting an honest and open exchange of ideas in this (and other) public forums and enabling better instructional applications of technologies supporting teaching and learning in our nation's schools. You are not looking for honest and open exchange of ideas. You think AT&T is out to get ya, and all discourse from your theory is just agents of AT&T trying to pacify you.
Face it, you just are not that important. I call 'em like I see 'em, I've seen enough crazy to know it. |
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armyrebel4
Dream Chaser
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join:2002-01-08
Springfield, IL | reply to rblomeyer
Lock the thread already, I've had enough of paranoia for one day... |
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