Noah Vail
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Lorton, VA
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| reply to Col Klink
Re: Great!
said by Col Klink  :Except, of course, having an educated & literate population does benefit you directly & indirectly. Big difference between having an educated (& employed) population receiving their education from public taxes and having people download music they're too cheap to buy. That's the second point I would have made. Either way you pay. If not for schools, then by prisons, higher cost of goods, security on your home and a limited number of people to commerce with.
Visualize 1930. Imagine it as a permanent condition, but only for the US, as even 4th world basket cases figured out that they need to educate any children they can
Or another scenario;
Imagine community schooling. Once communities hunker down to protect themselves from communities who don't school; we'll wind up with local governments who have interesting and different ideas about what kids need to learn.
If your population is mostly fundamentalist Islam or fundamentalist Christian, what might those community schools teach?
What might America look like after 3 generations of that, while the rest of the world builds armies and decides to expand.
I'm no fan of public schooling, but it's still a mountain of wealth compared to no education at all. It also serves to help bind us all together. If you don't want to pay for that, you can stop reaping the benefits of public schooling. Now.
said by Col Klink : Music does nothing for me at all. Wow. Have you looked at having that treated?
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fireflier
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| reply to Nightshade
"the right to freely download, upload, copy, and share music without restrictions"
Huh? Am I the only one who doesn't believe the RIAA will leave everyone alone if this $5 "tax" gets implemented?
What guarantees are there that they won't still be suing people who "download, upload, copy, and share music without restrictions"? Or suing ISPs who don't implement the aforementioned piracy filters. Which brings up another point. If we're paying a "tax" to share without restrictions then why would piracy filters still be required?
I don't pirate and I have no intentions on starting so I'm not keen on subsidizing media industries with an additional $60/year when said media is already overpriced.
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26
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| reply to hairspring
said by hairspring :A licence to download whatever I want! I'll gladly pay $5 for the right to download anything I want free of prosecution. Unless that includes movies too that really is not a good deal at all. I don't know about you guys, but I don't spend $5 a year on music, much less $60.
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to hairspring
said by hairspring :A licence to download whatever I want! I'll gladly pay $5 for the right to download anything I want free of prosecution. Oh so I should have to pay $5 so you can download all you want? this is just fro msuci. Don't forget the $5 movie tax, $5 TV tax, $5 book tax, $5 software tax. Sound good now? |
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fatmanskinny
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Wandering | reply to Steve
I am so tempted to flame you but I will resist. I will just state that I was kidding with him.
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Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
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join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
| reply to fatmanskinny
said by Col Klink :Music does nothing for me at all. said by fatmanskinny :Speak for yourself! I don't know how you could take his words as speaking for anything but himself. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to hairspring
This is just music. Add another $5 for movies. Then another $5 for programs and software.. etc etc
Get really dammed expensive really fast.... |
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jt65
@comcast.net | reply to Anonymous_
he did not say per lable. he said he would pay $5 to download anything. you nut |
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SSidlov
Other Things On My Mind
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Pompton Lakes, NJ
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| reply to Nightshade
jUST A QUICK NOTE: They have done this before. It's just a variation on their old copyright protection.
1. cassette tapes had a tax included on them to support artists whose music was supposed to be copied with the 'new tech'
2. CD-R audio has a tax as do regular CD-R's that are not qualified as audio at a lesser rate.
3. They also get $2 for each CD-R recorder.
»www.cb-cda.gc.ca/news/c20032004fs-e.html as an example of one govt agency....
SO, while they collect this type of money for decades now, they have (many people claim) NEVER given anyone a dime of it without a lawsuit.
Now, with cassettes history, and CD-R pretty much the same with DVD, and they may have already struck deals for that media, they haven't been able to tax hard drives and ssd drives. The last thing they can tax is the gateway, and that's the ISP's clients. So they want to add a tax on you for downloading, when they already tax you for burning it, they already tax you for the media you put it on, and maybe they got you to pay for the music too, if you're an honest person.
Seems to me, they already have thier hands in a lot of my pockets.....and they want more... |
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Nightshade
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Salem, OR
2 edits | reply to jester121
said by jester121 :Errr.. my parents paid propery taxes while I was in school, not me. That whole child labor law thing. However, despite choosing not to bring children into this insane world, I get to pay for my neighbors' kids to get a mediocre education. How is this anything but unfair? The implication is that your parents paid for your public education through taxes. I did not say you paid for it. Sorry for the confusion.
Okay consider the alternative then. A mediocre education is better than no education. A majority of students do not attend charter or private schools because of the cost, so the only alternative is public education. If you think society is bad now with the majority of kids with a mediocre education, imagine a society with the majority of kids having a substandard or no education at all. That for me is why I don't mind my property/income taxes going into public education, despite having no kids of my own. Even though I think public education needs to have a serious overhaul if we are going to stay competitive with the global markets.
said by jester121 :What's really unfair about this crap "downloading" tax (if you're paying it isn't "piracy" any more, now is it?) is that I don't want any of the MPAA's product whether it's free or not, nor do I care about crappy RIAA music. True that it isn't a "piracy tax" anymore now that I am paying for it. I really don't care all that much of the music of today. Which is why I could never understand the mentality of since music is crap, I am going to pirate it. Why would I want crap that I can get for free? To me, crap is crap, free or not.
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jester121
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Lake Zurich, IL
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| reply to Nightshade
said by Nightshade :But you did go to public school at one time right? So you used the services at one time. You pay your local fire department through taxes even though you don't expect, nor want, your house to burn down. What I am getting at in the unfair part is that this so called "tax" is going to be imposed regardless if you ever downloaded pirated content or not anytime you pay for your ISP services. Now that's truly unfair. Errr.. my parents paid propery taxes while I was in school, not me. That whole child labor law thing. However, despite choosing not to bring children into this insane world, I get to pay for my neighbors' kids to get a mediocre education. How is this anything but unfair?
I have no problem paying for the fire department; I'm paying for protection that I hope I never need, just like insurance.
(Technically, around here anyhow, we're paying for firefighters and police to have pensions, which is ok with me -- if they're willing to do that job and all they want is a nice retirement fund, it's a good trade.)
What's really unfair about this crap "downloading" tax (if you're paying it isn't "piracy" any more, now is it?) is that I don't want any of the MPAA's product whether it's free or not, nor do I care about crappy RIAA music. |
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fatmanskinny
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Wandering
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3 edits | reply to Col Klink
said by Col Klink :Music does nothing for me at all. Speak for yourself! Lol.
I remember some days when I was dating and didn't know how to set the right mood with a lady I was involved with at the time. I would put on a song from Barry White (the R&B singer) or Marvin Gaye and they would say exactly what I wanted to say. It seemed as if their lyrics would just melt the woman's clothes off. 
I had lots of lovin' because of music. Lol! Now I am married. So I have a valid reason for not getting any.
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jtudor
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1 edit | reply to Anonymous_
said by Anonymous_ : so your willing to pay 5$ per lable? your nuts
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kadar
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join:0000-00-00 | reply to Col Klink
Would it surprise you to find out the DOL wrote the specs for the DOE? |
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W7PSK
Just Me
join:2000-12-04
Everett, WA | reply to Col Klink
I wouldnt call more than 25% of what they churn out now educated |
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joako
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| reply to hairspring
said by hairspring :A licence to download whatever I want! I'll gladly pay $5 for the right to download anything I want free of prosecution. So why didn't they offer this service directly to consumers 5 years ago?
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Boogeyman
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join:2002-12-17
Huntsville, AL
| reply to Nightshade
I wonder if the music industry realizes that if it was suddenly legal to download and share all the music you wanted, NO ONE would pay for it. You might find a few special edition boxed sets get sold every once in a while, but why pay $8-20 for a CD that you already can legally download and burn yourself for free? (The key being legally, you can already do this illegaly, but many people dont because of thier morals).
So in essence, that $20b would suddenly become the major revenue stream while actual distrobution of a physical product would barely be worth the cost. Of course not everyone has internet or wants to spend the time to download and burn all the stuff, but I'm sure everyone knows at least one person with broadband and would be willing to get what they wanted for them... for free. |
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
 ·AT&T DSL Service
|  reply to Anonymous_
Let's all contact Jim Griffin and let him know how we feel. 
Right from his own website:
griffin@onehouse.com
I sure have a fun e-mail for him all waiting to go.  |
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