espaeth
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Re: IMHO: BS
At least with the big greedy evil corporations the payments are on an opt-in basis. For the 38% of the people who voted no, they still are legally required to fund the development of that infrastructure with their tax dollars. |
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r81984
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| said by espaeth  :At least with the big greedy evil corporations the payments are on an opt-in basis. For the 38% of the people who voted no, they still are legally required to fund the development of that infrastructure with their tax dollars. So I guess they should stop building roads because it is not fair to the many people that do not have cars.
Transportation is essential for an economy to prosper.
Data transportation is just as important as physical transportation.
Those that do not use the internet will still benefit from it indirectly.
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Karl Bode
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I guess you haven't seen the roads in Lafayette then. What a freaking cluster. I hate driving through that place during rush hour. If you ask me it's worse than Houston Galleria area traffic. |
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espaeth
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said by r81984 :So I guess they should stop building roads because it is not fair to the many people that do not have cars. Roads are used by more than cars; funding comes out of property taxes (so you can get to your property) and gas taxes (ie, usage tax).
said by r81984 :Data transportation is just as important as physical transportation. Telephone service is important as well, not just for the economy but for emergency services like 911. You don't see governments building out copper PSTN plants... |
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r81984
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| said by espaeth :Telephone service is important as well, not just for the economy but for emergency services like 911. You don't see governments building out copper PSTN plants... Why should the government do that?
Private companies already do that.
In Lafayette the private company refused to install fiber, so the people voted for their government to do it.
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BillRoland
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said by Karl Bode :Stoopid fire dapartmentz!1 Your quote actually (ironically) makes the point that most people here need a reality check. The proper role of government is to provide basic services and infrastructure. Public safety, law enforcement, etc are proper and necessary roles. Being a broadband provider hardly qualifies in even the loosest interpretation. Folks, broadband internet access is a convenience, it is not a sewer system or electricity, or a road or a fire department. The fact that neither Cox nor AT&T wanted to build out this thing should tell us something, considering those "evil greedy" corporations only want to make money (how awful of them). The citizens are going to get stuck paying far more for this than was told to them. Like the saying goes, there's a sucker born every minute.
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BillRoland
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said by r81984 :Data transportation is just as important as physical transportation. That is quite possibly the most idiotic statement ever written on the internet. Tell us, please, how many cars, tractors, motherboards, washing machines, etc, has the internet ever built? How much wheat has data transmission planted, harvested, and transported to market? That's right, none.
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On the contrary, I think the irony is how a great number of people are perfectly happy spending billions or trillions of tax dollars on all manner of waste, fraud, war, bank bailouts and bridges to nowhere...but the mere idea of a city coming together and voting to wire themselves with broadband infrastructure makes some people fan their foreheads in feigned outrage as if the people of Lafayette just killed a puppy or something....
The people there voted. Occasionally tax dollars go toward infrastructure improvements and not Lockheed Martin missles. Get over it. |
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r81984
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You obviously are sheltered.
The internet is just as much important as all of those tangible things you speak of.
How do you think all of those things are ordered and scheduled?
Manufacturing could not be as efficient without up to date data which most of the time is over an internet connection.
Try to tell a manufacture that they cannot have internet access and see what happens.
Business is conducted over the internet, if you do not think so then you need to go back to the 1800s.
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Nightshade
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If the people wanted it and voted for it, then they should get it. Let them reap the benefits and suffer the consequences of their vote.
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I can't think of the thread, but a lot of farmers are getting internet savvy for crops,related issues etc. Some are using nav, even cell phones. Companies are relocating to more rural areas. Im from CA, but have relatives in Bush, and lake Chuck, and they would welcome this. If not mistaken the people voted for it and understand the liability. Cox and Bell South (now ATT)sux major big time when you need them to do something. Peace
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espaeth
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said by Karl Bode :On the contrary, I think the irony is how a great number of people are perfectly happy spending billions or trillions of tax dollars on all manner of waste, fraud, war, bank bailouts and bridges to nowhere So because the government wastes massive amounts of money on other things, we should celebrate this waste of taxpayer dollars? |
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said by espaeth :At least with the big greedy evil corporations the payments are on an opt-in basis. For the 38% of the people who voted no, they still are legally required to fund the development of that infrastructure with their tax dollars. That statement is false... Before you talk about tax money being used, check into (a) how LUS runs and (b) how the project is funding itself. There is no tax money being used.
Just because it is a municipal project does not necessarily mean tax money is being used. |
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said by espaeth :So because the government wastes massive amounts of money on other things, we should celebrate this waste of taxpayer dollars? Absolutely. |
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said by r81984 :You obviously are sheltered. The internet is just as much important as all of those tangible things you speak of. How do you think all of those things are ordered and scheduled? Manufacturing could not be as efficient without up to date data which most of the time is over an internet connection. Try to tell a manufacture that they cannot have internet access and see what happens. Business is conducted over the internet, if you do not think so then you need to go back to the 1800s. Good point. I live about 30 miles west of Lafayette and see how quick the city of Lafayette is growing with new businesses. |
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jjeffeory
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You don't see govenments building out PSTN plants today, but they most certainly did in the past. The big telcos have bought out those already. Remember telephone service is a mature product. It had similiar issues in its past. Oh, and not just residential users will be using the new infrastructure. I'm sure business will take advantage of the network. |
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jjeffeory
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USA | reply to BillRoland
I disagree. Broadband internet access has become AS important as either phone or electricity for many Americans. It is certainly an equal to phone service. It should be treated as an inportant addition to basic services in this 21st century world. |
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jjeffeory
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No, the internet and DATA "transportation" just enabled those companies to more easily process the credit card transactions, locate parts & supplies, & generally enable people to find information much more quickly and more efficiently than ever before. Knowledge is power. It is clear that you don't quite get this yet. |
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jjeffeory
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USA | reply to espaeth
Wow, that quote was taken completely out of context and distorted completely. |
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