Re: IMHO: BS in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20243518 en Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:13:58 EDT Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:13:58 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20254996 patcat88 : We need to shut down the police, and replace it with subscription police, just like volunteer fire depts, where they will only try to put out the fire if your a member and have a shield on your lawn, the only thing they will do for free is rescue humans.

Public schools need to be shut down, they compete with private and charters.

We need to close libraries, they compete with Blockbusters and Barnes & Noble.

Streets need to be privatized, we can use technology to give each piece of road a microcent travel fee.

Congress needs to be run by a contractor, and a contractor should run elections. All govt branches need to be replaced by private industry. Supreme Court can now be a for profit corporation.

Military can become a contractor to auction off contracts for regiments.

We should privatize all government, it will be more efficient when all of the government is listed on the Stock Exchange and is held accountable to be profitable for stockholders.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20254996 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:23:47 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20251624 Travel_2002 : I just love to sit back and read comments made by people who are on the "outside" of any fiber project. Right now it's about 80% for and 20% against. Those against are either in some way close to the incumbent or just flat out negative about everything. It makes business sense from the incumbent to fight any competition. On the other hand if they had preformed like they should have in the past then these projects wouldn't be going on right now. These cable companies and telcos have operated a "cash cow" long enough. It's true that some have made improvements as far as technology is concerned, but still lack in customer service and price. They all have the option of building a fiber network but have opted not to do so. They still insist on "coax". Any fiber project being built has to offer the same channels on their lineup as the incumbent and more or the people wont subscribe to it. The internet has to be faster and the phone works better and cheaper. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20251624 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:02:37 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20249831 Count Zero : If private companies cannot or will not provide a service that people want then their governments have every right to provide them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20249831 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:02:49 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20248004 Default_Uzer : Well said. But if your town built a government owned and operated gas station and offered gas for $2.50/gallon I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated and you would be out of your mind to not fill up there.

Would you want to pay for a local service and see some of the money go back into the community, such as roads, schools and things of that nature or would you rather pay more money for a slower service and kiss your cash goodbye? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20248004 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:51:02 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20247972 Carl :
said by battleop See Profile :

The citizens in Lafayette have no other choice for broadband.
Yes, they do.

Cox cable is available, as is BellSouth/AT&T DSL service.

Both have been available since the 90's, if I'm not mistaken.

I know when I lived in Lafayette, I had Cox cable modem.
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Adi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20247763 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:01:53 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20247740 adisor19 : Damn this democracy where that majority votes to decide what to do !!! It sucks when you're in the minority, eh ?

LOL

With comments like these, i wonder sometimes..

Adi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20247740 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:58:29 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20247059 tmc8080 :
said by needforspeed59 See Profile :

I think it is total BS that governments can compete against private enterprise no matter what the good intentions are. What's next: City of Lafayette gasoline stations? Grocery stores?
Prices have been rising for both those commodities...
I don't know about you.. but I think that'd be a good idea right about now.. since the market does nothing but allow prices to skyrocket out of control. We just might need some balance to the equation... another 5 years of stagflation, you just might be wondering why your quality of life has gone down... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20247059 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:36:30 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20246661 RibaldJester : Maybe we should privatize fire depts. You know, you can purchase fire protection for $24.99 a month, but that only covers fires that are caused by lightning and other environmental accidents. If you want complete coverage, then it's $49.99 a month, but wait, you also need.....

I think it's perfectly within their rights to setup their own network. If the corporations wouldn't meet what they wanted at the price they wanted then we should do it ourselves. Just look at all the rural electrical companies that we setup by local governments solely because the corporations didn't want to bring electricity out to the boonies (not cost effective). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20246661 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:07:42 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20246535 aSic : Whats your point? I voted to decline to fund the development and paving of various dirt roads within my county. A majority voted to approve such a measure. So now I'm stuck paying for something the county doesnt need, along with 46% of the other voters in the county.

My point is, it is what the majority wants, so thats how it goes. Which is, last time I checked, was the way this country was supposed to run....unless we've already been taken cover by the jihadists... or the nazis or something. :uhh:

Its not like it was a close vote, using your 38% number. Its what the city wants, so let them eat cake.
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said by murdok610 See Profile :

said by needforspeed59 See Profile :

I think it is total BS that governments can compete against private enterprise no matter what the good intentions are. What's next: City of Lafayette gasoline stations? Grocery stores?
LOL, I guess we should shut down the post office since they compete with fedex and UPS :huh:
you joke, but they do believe that. every once in a while someone will post a comment and start railing against the post office and how private enterprise can do it so much better! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20246344 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:55:44 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20246330 morbo :
said by keyboard5684 See Profile :

Why is Lafayette any different? Ever been there? I cannot in any way see how they deserve this anymore than any other city in America.
uh, the "deserve this" because the PEOPLE vote for it and are going to pay for it. when there is market failure (in this case, private businesses and corporations failed to provide the services desired by the people of Lafayette) then what do you have against the PEOPLE creating their own solution? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20246330 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:48:16 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245923 BosstonesOwn :
said by keyboard5684 See Profile :

Well, then what about rural America? Are we going to get tax money to provide ANY broadband services to places 4 miles away from any town?

Why is Lafayette any different? Ever been there? I cannot in any way see how they deserve this anymore than any other city in America.

Government money is for something enterprise cannot provide because they will make no profit. This includes roads, police stations, street lights, and other projects that simply provide no return on investment.

The case here is if someone set up broadband, they could make a profit (maybe).

This could go very bad. A long time ago when there was a war going on people cut back on things. Women went to work while men went to war. Now, we are bickering about fiber, taking money from the government, that could be spent elsewhere (maybe hurricane survival or flack jackets!).
Maybe just maybe , its time that the country is run like a business. Where profits should be kept in a reserve so we can lower tax loads or maybe help fund things good for our people.
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no matter what it costs the real taxpayers...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245720 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:03:09 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245614 jjeffeory : Wow, that quote was taken completely out of context and distorted completely.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245614 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:38:24 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245596 jjeffeory : No, the internet and DATA "transportation" just enabled those companies to more easily process the credit card transactions, locate parts & supplies, & generally enable people to find information much more quickly and more efficiently than ever before. Knowledge is power. It is clear that you don't quite get this yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245596 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:31:10 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245583 jjeffeory : I disagree. Broadband internet access has become AS important as either phone or electricity for many Americans. It is certainly an equal to phone service. It should be treated as an inportant addition to basic services in this 21st century world.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245583 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:27:08 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245566 jjeffeory : You don't see govenments building out PSTN plants today, but they most certainly did in the past. The big telcos have bought out those already. Remember telephone service is a mature product. It had similiar issues in its past. Oh, and not just residential users will be using the new infrastructure. I'm sure business will take advantage of the network.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245566 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:23:33 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245512 jjeffeory : It's better than a crappy duopoly!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245512 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:12:07 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245433 murdok610 :
said by needforspeed59 See Profile :

I think it is total BS that governments can compete against private enterprise no matter what the good intentions are. What's next: City of Lafayette gasoline stations? Grocery stores?
LOL, I guess we should shut down the post office since they compete with fedex and UPS :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245433 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:54:52 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245267 jc100 : Sort of like the government issuing no bid contracts to companies (Haliburton).... or the government bailing out places (Bear Stern)...... or the regulation of monopolies.. seems you are SOL there need.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20245267 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:21:30 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244902 NOCMan : The people of the city paid through their local taxes. Federal funds did not pay for this.

IMO there is nothing wrong with this setup. In fact I would encourage cities to build all fiber networks and lease access to it so end companies can provide the services.

Outsource maintenance of the network to a company capable of doing it. Then all comers to the market are being charged the same access fees, their equipment has to play with everyone elses.

In the end you end up with standards compliant hardware and probably a better experience for all. Companies will come and go, but in the end they will be forced to compete on their own prices and services without any ability to undercut someone else unless they're willing to give it away for free.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244902 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:15:40 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244869 JustinMM1 :
said by r81984 See Profile :

You obviously are sheltered.

The internet is just as much important as all of those tangible things you speak of.

How do you think all of those things are ordered and scheduled?
Manufacturing could not be as efficient without up to date data which most of the time is over an internet connection.

Try to tell a manufacture that they cannot have internet access and see what happens.

Business is conducted over the internet, if you do not think so then you need to go back to the 1800s.
Good point. I live about 30 miles west of Lafayette and see how quick the city of Lafayette is growing with new businesses.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244869 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:08:55 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244623 fredwilson12 : If you really think this is BS, then maybe you should read the "$200 Billion Broadband Scandal". Here's a good summary about it:

»www.newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm

Basically, the telecommunications companies haven't done jack squat for us. They've just line the pockets of themselves, their stockholders, and their front groups at the expense of the American taxpayers. If the private enterprise doesn't want to do anything, then I guess the infrastructure should come directly from public funds, and not indirectly through tax breaks to private corporations.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244623 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:26:14 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244594 GPSrob :
said by needforspeed59 See Profile :

I think it is total BS that governments can compete against private enterprise no matter what the good intentions are. What's next: City of Lafayette gasoline stations? Grocery stores?
Yah, well, I think it's total BS that our government hasn't recognized that broadband is an important infrastructure just like roads and phones and that it hasn't taken steps to secure it's deployment to all citizens' benefit. There is a mandatory build-out rule for power and phones. Why not for broadband? It's more important than POTS since it delivers more and POTS can be provisioned over it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244594 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:21:47 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244433 battleop : I've followed this off and on some. I think the big difference is that the citizens voted for this. EPB in Chattanooga is trying to do the same thing except the citizens and rate payers have no choice. There are also 20 or so providers offering broadband over different mediums. The citizens in Lafayette have no other choice for broadband.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244433 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:56:43 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244324 jhboricua :
said by espaeth See Profile :

So because the government wastes massive amounts of money on other things, we should celebrate this waste of taxpayer dollars?
Absolutely.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244324 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:40:01 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244196 anon :
said by needforspeed59 See Profile :

I think it is total BS that governments can compete against private enterprise no matter what the good intentions are. What's next: City of Lafayette gasoline stations? Grocery stores?
Just to burst a hole in your statement, what LUS is doing might actually allow MORE private enterprise to compete for internet access in Lafayette. Projects like Utopia have allowed smaller, independent ISPs to flourish. One such is an ISP called XMission, IIRC. In fact, ATT even sold services across the network (not sure if they still do).

So while you might think it is bad, in reality, people end up winning from greater competition.

But hey, if you believe it wrong for the government to compete against private industry, then private industry should stop competing against government services - schools, military/police (read that as Blackwater, etc.), postal services (ie- UPS, FedEX, etc.), water and sewerage. There are two sides to the coin. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244196 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:19:29 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244165 joker5656 : this is city money, not Federal money people. there's a difference. Federal money would mean mine and many others who live out of state are funding it, but since its city only those people are funding it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244165 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:13:43 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244090 anon :
said by espaeth See Profile :

At least with the big greedy evil corporations the payments are on an opt-in basis. For the 38% of the people who voted no, they still are legally required to fund the development of that infrastructure with their tax dollars.
That statement is false... Before you talk about tax money being used, check into (a) how LUS runs and (b) how the project is funding itself. There is no tax money being used.

Just because it is a municipal project does not necessarily mean tax money is being used.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20244090 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:59:41 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243990 espaeth :
said by Karl Bode See Profile :

On the contrary, I think the irony is how a great number of people are perfectly happy spending billions or trillions of tax dollars on all manner of waste, fraud, war, bank bailouts and bridges to nowhere
So because the government wastes massive amounts of money on other things, we should celebrate this waste of taxpayer dollars?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243990 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:40:12 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243979 woody7 : I can't think of the thread, but a lot of farmers are getting internet savvy for crops,related issues etc. Some are using nav, even cell phones. Companies are relocating to more rural areas. Im from CA, but have relatives in Bush, and lake Chuck, and they would welcome this. If not mistaken the people voted for it and understand the liability. Cox and Bell South (now ATT)sux major big time when you need them to do something. Peace
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After a while it gets to the point where if they want it and they won't do it for themselves, then no one else will. It is oblivious that the private sector won't. I am a strong believer in capitalism but where a capitalistic market fails a community, then I see no problem in the community providing any services for themselves if they so desire the service.
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Why is Lafayette any different? Ever been there? I cannot in any way see how they deserve this anymore than any other city in America.

Government money is for something enterprise cannot provide because they will make no profit. This includes roads, police stations, street lights, and other projects that simply provide no return on investment.

The case here is if someone set up broadband, they could make a profit (maybe).

This could go very bad. A long time ago when there was a war going on people cut back on things. Women went to work while men went to war. Now, we are bickering about fiber, taking money from the government, that could be spent elsewhere (maybe hurricane survival or flack jackets!).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243817 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:10:30 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243798 r81984 : You obviously are sheltered.

The internet is just as much important as all of those tangible things you speak of.

How do you think all of those things are ordered and scheduled?
Manufacturing could not be as efficient without up to date data which most of the time is over an internet connection.

Try to tell a manufacture that they cannot have internet access and see what happens.

Business is conducted over the internet, if you do not think so then you need to go back to the 1800s.
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The people there voted. Occasionally tax dollars go toward infrastructure improvements and not Lockheed Martin missles. Get over it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243789 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:06:56 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243754 BillRoland :
said by r81984 See Profile :

Data transportation is just as important as physical transportation.
That is quite possibly the most idiotic statement ever written on the internet. Tell us, please, how many cars, tractors, motherboards, washing machines, etc, has the internet ever built? How much wheat has data transmission planted, harvested, and transported to market? That's right, none.
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said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Stoopid fire dapartmentz!1
Your quote actually (ironically) makes the point that most people here need a reality check. The proper role of government is to provide basic services and infrastructure. Public safety, law enforcement, etc are proper and necessary roles. Being a broadband provider hardly qualifies in even the loosest interpretation. Folks, broadband internet access is a convenience, it is not a sewer system or electricity, or a road or a fire department. The fact that neither Cox nor AT&T wanted to build out this thing should tell us something, considering those "evil greedy" corporations only want to make money (how awful of them). The citizens are going to get stuck paying far more for this than was told to them. Like the saying goes, there's a sucker born every minute.
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said by espaeth See Profile :

Telephone service is important as well, not just for the economy but for emergency services like 911. You don't see governments building out copper PSTN plants...
Why should the government do that?
Private companies already do that.

In Lafayette the private company refused to install fiber, so the people voted for their government to do it.
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said by r81984 See Profile :

So I guess they should stop building roads because it is not fair to the many people that do not have cars.
Roads are used by more than cars; funding comes out of property taxes (so you can get to your property) and gas taxes (ie, usage tax).

said by r81984 See Profile :

Data transportation is just as important as physical transportation.
Telephone service is important as well, not just for the economy but for emergency services like 911. You don't see governments building out copper PSTN plants...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243698 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:52:17 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243626 cajun4x4 : I guess you haven't seen the roads in Lafayette then. What a freaking cluster. I hate driving through that place during rush hour. If you ask me it's worse than Houston Galleria area traffic. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243626 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:40:27 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243577 Karl Bode : Stoopid fire dapartmentz!1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243577 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:31:22 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243518 T1 Rocky : I'm happy for Lafayette too and hopefully this will establish precedent and allow other cities to do this. As I interpreted this story, the telcos did not build out to the city and then blocked the city from building out their own fiber network! So is the city of Lafayette suppose to sit back and not be able to attract any technology companies until the telcos find it to be economically feasible?
It was my understandiung that in 1996, the governtment levied the taxes to build out a fiber network nationwide by 2004. The telcos ponied up and said, "we already have the people in place across the country to build out the fiber network so why don't you give us the money and we will do it for you?" The government gave the telcos the literally billions of dollars which the telcos then used to invest in lobbying which allowed them to restore their monopoly, attack vertical markets and launch an advertising campaign that said America doesn't need fiber, we need DSL on the good old already in place copper phone network!

And now a city tries to build out their own fiber network and the telcos fight them? Come on! If the government had built out the "dumb pipes" that the Telecom Act of 1996 was suppose to build then we'd all be reading this on 90 Mbps and arguing about which ISP actually gives you 90 Mbps (ISP's remember them?) But instead they gave it to the telcos who are now literally fighting with cities to stop technological development.

I wonder how many high tech companies are in Lafayette? Once this network is in place, I bet they start attracting them. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243518 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:19:11 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243514 r81984 :
said by espaeth See Profile :

At least with the big greedy evil corporations the payments are on an opt-in basis. For the 38% of the people who voted no, they still are legally required to fund the development of that infrastructure with their tax dollars.
So I guess they should stop building roads because it is not fair to the many people that do not have cars.

Transportation is essential for an economy to prosper.
Data transportation is just as important as physical transportation.

Those that do not use the internet will still benefit from it indirectly.
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»gigaom.com/2005/07/16/lafayette-···destiny/
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I find it very normal that if the incumbents are a***** and won't bother to install fiber in the city, that the city can take matter into their own hands. Too bad some of you would rather keep the status quo where your lifes are ruled by big evil money driven corporations instead of taking matter into your own hands. A little socialism won't hurt you ! You should try it one day.

Adi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243290 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:40:01 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243177 Nintendo :
said by jdmatl See Profile :

said by needforspeed59 See Profile :

I think it is total BS that governments can compete against private enterprise no matter what the good intentions are. What's next: City of Lafayette gasoline stations? Grocery stores?
Have you been following this story? Bellsouth and Cox had been promising for years to do this and did not. If private enterprise can't get it done, the more power to the local city govt to take over. I look at Bellsouth/Cox as "big govt" anyway. Both are monopolies.

After all the city govt is run by the local people not the fed govt.
Well put. Lafayette is a stone's throw away from here and people who are not from this area have no idea whats going on here. Im happy for Lafayette.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243177 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:21:20 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243174 gatorkram :
said by needforspeed59 See Profile :

I think it is total BS that governments can compete against private enterprise no matter what the good intentions are. What's next: City of Lafayette gasoline stations? Grocery stores?
I am pretty sure, the PEOPLE voted this into being. Not just some random crazy thing they decided to do.

Maybe gas stations and grocery stores would be a good idea.

Let the people VOTE!
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»/testhistory/661871/4f240]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243174 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:21:01 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243169 Rob :
said by needforspeed59 See Profile :

I think it is total BS that governments can compete against private enterprise no matter what the good intentions are. What's next: City of Lafayette gasoline stations? Grocery stores?
I don't. If private enterprises cherry pick markets, then local governments representing the citizens, should have the right to build a business in markets that private enterprises ignored.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243169 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:20:34 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243135 jdmatl :
said by needforspeed59 See Profile :

I think it is total BS that governments can compete against private enterprise no matter what the good intentions are. What's next: City of Lafayette gasoline stations? Grocery stores?
Have you been following this story? Bellsouth and Cox had been promising for years to do this and did not. If private enterprise can't get it done, the more power to the local city govt to take over. I look at Bellsouth/Cox as "big govt" anyway. Both are monopolies.

After all the city govt is run by the local people not the fed govt. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243135 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:16:32 EDT Re: IMHO: BS http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20243124 Nightshade : I would totally agree but Lafayette is a unique case. The problem is that Bellsouth was not even going to put in any broadband services for the city, despite that they claim Lafayette is in their territory. So because of that Lafayette citizens said fine, where going to have our own broadband services.

If private businesses are not willing to provide services, or can't get it done, and the citizens want said services, then it is within their rights to do it on their own with the help of government if they so desire. But at the same time the government should only be used as a last resort.

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said by needforspeed59 See Profile :

I think it is total BS that governments can compete against private enterprise no matter what the good intentions are. What's next: City of Lafayette gasoline stations? Grocery stores?
Well said.
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