Mersault
join:2007-10-26
Toronto, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to R0CKY
Re: Official Response...
Skype doesn't do 911. You're certainly not going to get 911 service from any VoIP service that doesn't give you a phone number, and then it's usually 'Basic 911' meaning you get sent to a national call center where they take you info down first, then send you to your local 911 center.
Some VoIP providers do provide 'Enhanced 911,' where all this info is preloaded. Primus is one such company (full disclosure: I work for Primus). If a VoIP customer with E911 were to experience problems placing a call, that would be more significant. |
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Simple
@teksavvy.com
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Something like this? |
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NiGHTS
join:2008-03-23 | That is a nice diagram. But I would somehow even simplify it further. Compared to everything else, the Bell piece should be the smallest. You wouldn't want the naive thinking that Bell is doing more than they actually are. |
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dbsanfte
join:2005-03-15
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| reply to R0CKY
I loathe Bell. They're worse than hemorrhoids. This just proves it.
I want that monopoly split up. Turn nexxia into its own firm, not just severed but DISMEMBERED from Bell corporate. Make Sympatico buy service from nexxia in the same manner that wholesalers do.
And finally, send each and every person who made this throttling decision to the gulag. |
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megahuts
join:2007-08-08
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to R0CKY
Ok, it seems to me Bell has explicitly specified they are shaping "P2P file sharing and bit torrent applications".
Does anyone know of a company that directly profits using "P2P / BT"?
(I know World of Warcraft updates are sent out on BT)
What we need is a company whose business model is destroyed by Bell's actions, who was already in direct competition with Bell. (It shouldnt be too hard to find one in competition with Bell, they have their dirty fingers in everything!)
Ideally, it is a Canadian company.
(TekSavvy doesnt count, as their business model is treat their customers with respect, and Bell can never harm that!) |
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Jean_22
join:2005-08-27
Quebec, QC | reply to R0CKY
Linux distros are affected. |
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nothrottle2nite
@teksavvy.com
| reply to R0CKY
PPPoE Access Concentrator: bas6-ottawa23
is what i'm connected to and i'm yet to be throttled tonight, i have been for the past 5 or so nights.. It's kind of odd isn't it? I thought this was an every day deal from the times indicated in that response? |
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megahuts
join:2007-08-08
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to R0CKY
Other interesting angles to attack this from a PR perspective.
"Bell is monitoring your online transactions with your bank!"
"Bell is monitoring your VOIP phone calls!"
Now, the use of the word monitor is dependent on a couple of definitions.
Monitor: electronic equipment that is used to check the quality or content of electronic transmissions
And: How do you look at a packet's mapping?
I think you have to look at the packet itself.
Therefore Bell looks at the packet and checks (a portion of) the content.
Furthermore, Bell has to look at each packet coming out of your computer.
Therefore Bell monitors your internet traffic, including banking/voip.
Put that on the news... and see Bell squirm! |
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qweloo
join:2007-10-04
h3p 2c4
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to dbsanfte
said by dbsanfte  :I loathe Bell. They're worse than hemorrhoids. This just proves it. I want that monopoly split up. Turn nexxia into its own firm, not just severed but DISMEMBERED from Bell corporate. Make Sympatico buy service from nexxia in the same manner that wholesalers do. And finally, send each and every person who made this throttling decision to the gulag. Maybe the goulag is a little too lenient.
Seeing the outrage out there ... Just a century ago ... There would be talks of lynching. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| reply to megahuts
said by megahuts :Other interesting angles to attack this from a PR perspective. "Bell is monitoring your online transactions with your bank!" "Bell is monitoring your VOIP phone calls!" Now, the use of the word monitor is dependent on a couple of definitions. Monitor: electronic equipment that is used to check the quality or content of electronic transmissions And: How do you look at a packet's mapping? I think you have to look at the packet itself. Therefore Bell looks at the packet and checks (a portion of) the content. Furthermore, Bell has to look at each packet coming out of your computer. Therefore Bell monitors your internet traffic, including banking/voip. Put that on the news... and see Bell squirm! Interesting thoughts.... tx!
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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Doci
Toothless Fairy
join:2003-02-01 | reply to R0CKY
Is this a joke? |
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Candoo3
join:2005-01-24
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to megahuts
said by megahuts :Ideally, it is a Canadian company. (TekSavvy doesnt count, as their business model is treat their customers with respect, and Bell can never harm that!) TSI does count, as does any company that has to pass their data thru the Bell network, and this would include the companies that TSI resells to. At present, the REPUTATION of any of these ISP's is at risk (maybe this is part of the Bell game?). Many Sympatico users made an exodus to these other ISP's, for greener un-throttled pastures. How long will it be before the client base of these ISP's begin to drop, and their profits. The idea of competition, is to offer a unique service for a unique pricing, to out-do the competition. TSI can no longer do this bc of Bell's tactics. If that isn't legally considered anti-competitive, then somethings wrong, especially since the ISP's have to depend on Bell's copper. In a sense, even a conflict of interest on Bell's part. |
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TakeTheFifth
join:2004-04-20
Anjou, QC
| reply to R0CKY
(c) An ADSL AHSSPI provides a DS-3, OC-3 or
10/100/400/1000 Mbps service demarcation interface,
subject to a contract period of 1, 2, or 3 years.
Rocky, how do you interface with Bell ?
I'm asking because 10/100/400/1000 Mbps are burstable (read: up to). DS-3 and OC-3 are NOT. So they are true 45 and 155 Mbps. Or am I reading this wrong ?
Phil |
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LiQuiD
BSD geek
Premium
join:2002-08-08
Anjou, QC
| reply to R0CKY
Re: Official Response...
said by R0CKY :said by megahuts :Other interesting angles to attack this from a PR perspective. "Bell is monitoring your online transactions with your bank!" "Bell is monitoring your VOIP phone calls!" Now, the use of the word monitor is dependent on a couple of definitions. Monitor: electronic equipment that is used to check the quality or content of electronic transmissions And: How do you look at a packet's mapping? I think you have to look at the packet itself. Therefore Bell looks at the packet and checks (a portion of) the content. Furthermore, Bell has to look at each packet coming out of your computer. Therefore Bell monitors your internet traffic, including banking/voip. Put that on the news... and see Bell squirm! Interesting thoughts.... tx! If Bell can see your interactions with your bank, you should be kicking your bank's ass, before bell. That stuff ought to be encrypted.
my $0,02 |
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articlecbc
@ody.ca | reply to R0CKY
»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008···?ref=rss
here is an article |
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Inssomniak
Premium
join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON
| reply to mazhurg
said by mazhurg :Rocky, How do you like your new status as a Sympatico reseller, since it appears that this is what this letter appears to be saying even as it says wholesale... The thought of this makes me puke, Rocky and TSI have built an ISP, with all their own equipment and money, and earned respect through good customer relations, to just become basically as mazhurg says here..
A Bell Sympatico Reseller.
Now THAT would piss me off. |
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Arbalister
join:2007-11-24
St Catharines, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to TobiasFunke
Diagram |
said by TobiasFunke :What might prove helpful is to to paint a picture of the infrastructure involved. Something like a Visio diagram outlining how TekSavvy connects into Bell's equipment, what exactly is regulated by the CRTC and even showing the Sympatico infrastructure as a separate entity. Found this, it'll be close though some of the terms might change. What we're seeing is throttling in the area labelled "ATM Network" at the very least, possible even so far down as "your local CO." The Bell segments would be the two CO's and the ATM Network. Replace "ACME" with TSI and "Upstream Internet Provider with, oh, Cogent, Peer1, etc... |
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derekm
join:2008-02-26
·TekSavvy Solutions..
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to R0CKY
said by R0CKY :the more you people can suggest to work with the better (ie: any new angles for making them stop). Well, I'm beating a dead horse now it seems, and I should be the one Moving On..., but seriously, no one for TekSavvy has said, "we technically cannot allow encryption on your PPPoE connection via mppe because our [insert random equipment here] does not support it"
It's a matter of the RADIUS server allowing MSCHAPv2, and your access concentrator supporting mppe, that is all. Two lines in my ppp.conf file. The CPU on the access concentrator might go through the roof, but hey you won't know until you try it out.
*Take P2P out of the argument all together.*
It will be a lot easier to argue that your customers should be allow unfettered secure access to your network, and it is a lot easier to explain to non-technical people.
In fact, Bell may not even be shaping this type of traffic right now.
Whaddya say R0CKY? |
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ultracat
join:2008-01-30
Toronto, ON
·TELUS
·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to megahuts
said by megahuts :Ok, it seems to me Bell has explicitly specified they are shaping "P2P file sharing and bit torrent applications". Does anyone know of a company that directly profits using "P2P / BT"? (I know World of Warcraft updates are sent out on BT) What we need is a company whose business model is destroyed by Bell's actions, who was already in direct competition with Bell. (It shouldnt be too hard to find one in competition with Bell, they have their dirty fingers in everything!) Ideally, it is a Canadian company. (TekSavvy doesnt count, as their business model is treat their customers with respect, and Bell can never harm that!) Is the CBC a Canadian enough company for ya? : ) Haven't you heard that only about a week ago the CBC began to provide publically funded tv shows via bittorrent (first show was Greatest Prime Minister or something like that). So, now Bell is screwing Canadian taxpayers directly by making it unbearable/impossible to access cultural, public domain material distributed by our public broadcaster. |
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