otherbcecontacts
@teksavvy.com
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Re: No outrage, Bell says - Phone Monday show your displeasure
Here are some other people who may have given John the go ahead to send that letter: Bell's legal team -
Mr. Jean-François Leger
Assitant General Counsel
Tel (819) 773-5814
Fax (n/a)
jeanfrancois.leger@bell.ca
Mr. Al Wallace
Vice President - Regulatory Matters
Tel (819) 773-5954
Fax (819) 770-7638
al.wallace@bell.ca
Ms. Karen O'Brien
Director - Local Competition
Tel (613) 781-5800
Fax (n/a)
karen.obrien@bell.ca
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mudman2479
join:2008-02-22
Amherstburg, ON
1 edit | reply to mudman2479
The problem using one number, is we will all be put on hold. You do several numbers and more can get through with less waiting time. Fax is even better! Dont forget to leave messages too! |
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qweloo
join:2007-10-04
h3p 2c4
 ·Bell Sympatico
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said by Grounded  :Everyone, Please keep in mind that we're trying to maintain the sympathy of the public & the press. The comments quoted are both outrageous & wrong and as such they deserve hearty but measured response. Calls, letters, emails & faxes of complaint are legitimate & justified. But some here are suggesting harassing Bell staff & offices. While that is extremely tempting it will only hinder our cause. They are trying to position all p2p users as pirates (just look at the callous comments Bell had regarding Mt. Sinai Hospital to see how blind they are to any potential legitimate use of the technology.) If we give them the chance to play the victim of a group of out-of-control pirates that's just what they're going to do. That's what I would do in their place. Please tone down the rhetoric & prankish aspects of your response to Bell. If we give them added weapons they'll make use of them to our dismay, not to mention it will put Rocky in an impossible position when he tries to deal with them on the corporate level. There's nothing wrong with letting it be known that much anger is bubbling up, but if we turn that anger to harassment we'll lose not only sympathy but also credibility. Hundreds (possibly even thousands) of responsible complaints to all proper offices (and officers) of Bell, as well as regulating agencies & political figures will be our best step for right now. Let's hold something in reserve. I'd also advise keeping this in mind on subjects such as Jason Laszlo's Facebook page. His personal life is no issue of ours. The legitimate outrage of his page - and this is fair game, is that he refers to the press as lemmings. That shows just what he thinks of the media & one can extrapolate that he feels these "lemmings" are following his corporate line which apparently even he has trouble swallowing. This is good material for us as it severely undercuts Bell's argument that this is required and should help to focus media on the story behind Bell's story. Let's not blow it with personal or ad-hominem attacks. In other words, let's keep above the level of name-calling that Bell has adopted in dismissing all p2p users as bad actors. I think Grounded has a point but like he said "Calls, letters, emails & faxes of complaint are legitimate & justified".
Why not then everybody phone at one number (ie bell executive office) at the same time (within the hour ie like at 1:30 pm to 2:30pm) to say they want to express their outrage at this throttling situation and they cancelled their service ( internet, phone, tv any service is good) because of it. thats it just one call everybody. no harrasment.
Then do it again another day and change time and number (?) if u can get a couple of hundreds to call within the hour period people should get the message especially if it happens every other day or even everyday.
I dont think that would constitute harassment other than citizens calling their public phone companies to complain about the restriction of service. |
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An Onymous
@teksavvy.com
| reply to Grounded
This forum needs more wacky pictures... |
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Grounded
join:2007-12-13
canada
| reply to mudman2479
Everyone,
Please keep in mind that we're trying to maintain the sympathy of the public & the press. The comments quoted are both outrageous & wrong and as such they deserve hearty but measured response. Calls, letters, emails & faxes of complaint are legitimate & justified. But some here are suggesting harassing Bell staff & offices. While that is extremely tempting it will only hinder our cause. They are trying to position all p2p users as pirates (just look at the callous comments Bell had regarding Mt. Sinai Hospital to see how blind they are to any potential legitimate use of the technology.) If we give them the chance to play the victim of a group of out-of-control pirates that's just what they're going to do. That's what I would do in their place.
Please tone down the rhetoric & prankish aspects of your response to Bell. If we give them added weapons they'll make use of them to our dismay, not to mention it will put Rocky in an impossible position when he tries to deal with them on the corporate level.
There's nothing wrong with letting it be known that much anger is bubbling up, but if we turn that anger to harassment we'll lose not only sympathy but also credibility. Hundreds (possibly even thousands) of responsible complaints to all proper offices (and officers) of Bell, as well as regulating agencies & political figures will be our best step for right now.
Let's hold something in reserve.
I'd also advise keeping this in mind on subjects such as Jason Laszlo's Facebook page. His personal life is no issue of ours. The legitimate outrage of his page - and this is fair game, is that he refers to the press as lemmings. That shows just what he thinks of the media & one can extrapolate that he feels these "lemmings" are following his corporate line which apparently even he has trouble swallowing. This is good material for us as it severely undercuts Bell's argument that this is required and should help to focus media on the story behind Bell's story. Let's not blow it with personal or ad-hominem attacks. In other words, let's keep above the level of name-calling that Bell has adopted in dismissing all p2p users as bad actors. |
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emoci
join:2007-05-29
York, ON
1 edit | reply to quatrix
said by quatrix :said by mudman2479 :No outrage, Bell says Bell spokesman Jason Laszlo on Friday reiterated the company's position —that it was shaping traffic in order to prevent a small portion of bandwidth hogs from slowing speeds down for all customers. He said there has been no backlash from customers, despite the incidents of the past week. BS bell just ignors the outrage!!!! "Outrage" from 0.01% of customers isn't worth noting, and if it's the bandwidth hogs that are "outraged", the ISP doesn't want you as customers anyway. More 80% of customers should be outraged, the problem is some just don't know how they are being ripped off....charged for a service they are not receiving when they'd be just as well with a cheaper package....
The issue here is, save the lucky ones not yet (and I say yet) affected, if you are not outraged, you don't know any better  ....
I really don't mind them blocking torrent traffic, but they have to tell me they are well in advance, and then don't sell or advertise a high speed connection.....tell the beavers to shout over the megaphone that torrents for the CBC's Prime Minister series are not allowed and see what happens
Let me make this clear, me and others are willing to pay extra for our bandwith, even more than we are now...but once I pay for something I want to be able to make use of it....the answer is not limiting bandwith, Bell shouldn't be selling what they don't have and let the competition fill the gap instead of squishing them in the same incompetent Bell cubicle |
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idlewillkill
Go Blue
Premium
join:2005-09-28
North York, ON | reply to quatrix
The problem is Teksavvy DOES want them as customers. |
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quatrix
Premium
join:2005-02-11
Davie, FL
| reply to mudman2479
said by mudman2479 :No outrage, Bell says Bell spokesman Jason Laszlo on Friday reiterated the company's position —that it was shaping traffic in order to prevent a small portion of bandwidth hogs from slowing speeds down for all customers. He said there has been no backlash from customers, despite the incidents of the past week. BS bell just ignors the outrage!!!! "Outrage" from 0.01% of customers isn't worth noting, and if it's the bandwidth hogs that are "outraged", the ISP doesn't want you as customers anyway. |
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Savant
Premium
join:2001-08-12
Toronto
clubs: 
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No outrage...? I guess Bell hasn't read the news...
quote:
Union urges CRTC to curb internet interference by Bell, Rogers
The battle for who controls the internet in Canada has begun in earnest with a national labour union urging the CRTC to curb traffic interference by Bell Canada Inc. and Rogers Communications Inc.
The National Union of Public and General Employees, which represents more than 340,000 workers across the country, on Friday wrote to the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission to investigate the practice of "traffic shaping" and its impact on internet users.
"These internet service providers are, with little or no public accountability, implementing measures that will discriminate against the use of legal software for legitimate uses. This is unacceptable," wrote union president James Clancy. "The continued silence on these matters by the CRTC and the Canadian government violates the trust the Canadian people have placed in you."
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Could be better, could be worse, could be Monday... |
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jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC
·ELECTRONICBOX
| reply to matt_m
>Umm... I don't really think so. Sweeney is a SVP. SVPs are a >big deal in large companies.
Glorified managers.
In large companies:
Executive VP -> Vice President
Senior VP -> Director
VP -> Manager
Large companies tend to create glorified titles to hand out to people to give them the impression they got a promotion. But that simply adds to the layers of redundant management between the real workers and the decision makers.
For instance at HP:
VMS Product Manager (business unit that generate a couple billion dolars in revenus)
Martin Fink, Senior Vice President, BCS
Scott Stallard, Senior Vice President , Enterprise Storage and Servers
Ann Livermore, Executive Vice President, Technology Group
Mark Hurd , President/CEO.
Scott Stallard and Livermore are old hacks at HP and have managed to "acquire" additional domains with various reorgs within the organisation. For instance, Stallard had the storage business. He couldn't have taken on each of the HP-UX, VMS, Tandem departments, but he wanted it, so they created yet another VP level. Stallard only has to deal with that VP (Fink), yet gets to have the glory of heading all of that, while retaining his storage business.
What VP (and higher) means in a company is that he gets to choose his senior secretary/executive assistant and has a real office.
Below that, you get young inexperienced secretaries that, if you're lucky, will know how to fill out a FedEx waybill, but all of them are well traioned is filling out the various forms the company requires they fill out. |
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matt_m
Premium
join:2007-04-07
Ottawa, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to jfmezei
Again, this guy is a SVP. That means other VPs report to him, and he probably reports into a 'C' level exec. Messenger, my a$$. He may be making it out like he is just a messenger, but he certainly, as SVP Carrier Services, is someone who can help shape policy before it is implemented. This isn't some call center phone jockey. |
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jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC | reply to R0CKY
>Just keep in mind John is only the messenger in this.
Works both way. Upper manager tell him to announce the bad news. He then gets the complaints and summarizes them back to his upper management. |
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matt_m
Premium
join:2007-04-07
Ottawa, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to R0CKY
said by R0CKY :Just keep in mind John is only the messenger in this. Umm... I don't really think so. Sweeney is a SVP. SVPs are a big deal in large companies. |
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Sukunai
@bell.ca
| reply to mudman2479
I AM a Bell customer.
With some luck I will be fixing that soon though.
Here that BELL!! I consider being a customer to be no real perk. No advantage, nothing to be happy about.
Bell technology is rapidly becoming yet another oxymoron. |
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I am a customer
@teksavvy.com
| reply to bacon612
said by emoci :Throwing it out there, we are technically not bell customers though. Does anyone agree with this? On my Bell phone bill, the following are listed under Telephone Services, even though I use TSI. As far as I am concern, I am a customer 'cause the phone bill never lies. :P
___ Monthly Charges _____
1 Residence line 18.48
1 High Speed DSL 0.00
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etc |
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avernar
join:2002-05-23
Mississauga, ON
clubs:
| reply to mudman2479
Someone gave me this link at the office:
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlMbxosLtaY
I just wish that Sympatico would stay in their own sandbox instead of coming over and peeing in ours!  |
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emoci
join:2007-05-29
York, ON | reply to bacon612
The whole idea is to let them know that there is indeed unhappy people out here, being affected by what they are doing, in some cases prevented from something as serious as getting work done....P2P is not all they are blocking at the moment |
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bacon612
join:2007-10-31
Etobicoke, ON
 ·VoipYourLife
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·ZingoTel
| reply to emoci
said by emoci :Ok, So let's pool this Bell Info together: John Sweeney Senior Vice President Carrier Services Telephone: 416-353-7225 Fax: 416-977-3557 john.sweeney@bell.ca Bell Canada Floor 6N 483 Bay Street Toronto, Ontario M5G 2C9 Jason Laszlo (416) 353-4135 1 888 482-0809 jason.laszlo@bell.ca Kevin Crull President - Residential Services kevin.crull@bell.ca ph: (416) 581-2923 fx: (416) 593-1338 Executive Assistant: Jacqueline Fowler (416)-581-2953 jacqueline.fowler@bell.ca 483 BAY ST. (BTS) TORONTO, Ontario, M5G 2C9 If you feel there is more that we can do... You may speak to the Bell Canada Executive Office of Customer Relations by calling Québec: 1 866-317-3382 Ontario: 1 866-317-3382 You may write to us at: Bell Canada Executive Office of Customer Relations P.O. Box 593, Station A Toronto, Ontario M5W 1E4 E-mail us at: executive.office@bell.ca To fax us: 1-800-554-5148 (no charge) I think they are deserving of some backlash, since they haven't seen any yet Throwing it out there, we are technically not bell customers though. Does anyone agree with this? I'm not offering a better way but im just pointing out that this would be simelar to one of us calling rogers about the same thing, no?
On the other hand, if we were Bell Sympatico customers, it would be a different story. I still think that If we were applying more pressure to MPs it would get us farther. Or, if you are a bell phone line, expressvu subscriber, quit the service and then tell them why.
I'm just trying to play devils advocate here. If i were bell, and a non customer was complaining, what could I really do about it?
Just a thought. Looking forward to reading through even more of this thread as it develops. In the mean time, ill be downloading torrents at 30k.... |
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emoci
join:2007-05-29
York, ON
4 edits | reply to mudman2479
Ok,
So let's pool this Bell Info together:
quote:
John Sweeney
Senior Vice President
Carrier Services
Telephone: 416-353-7225
Fax: 416-977-3557
Mobile: 416-420-5819
john.sweeney@bell.ca
Bell Canada
Floor 6N
483 Bay Street
Toronto, Ontario M5G 2C9
Jason Laszlo
(416) 353-4135
1 888 482-0809
jason.laszlo@bell.ca
Kevin Crull
President - Residential Services
kevin.crull@bell.ca
ph: (416) 581-2923
fx: (416) 593-1338
Executive Assistant: Jacqueline Fowler
(416)-581-2953
jacqueline.fowler@bell.ca
483 BAY ST. (BTS)
TORONTO, Ontario, M5G 2C9
If you feel there is more that we can do...
You may speak to the Bell Canada Executive Office of Customer Relations by calling
Québec: 1 866-317-3382
Ontario: 1 866-317-3382
You may write to us at:
Bell Canada Executive Office of Customer Relations
P.O. Box 593, Station A
Toronto, Ontario
M5W 1E4
E-mail us at:
executive.office@bell.ca
To fax us:
1-800-554-5148 (no charge)
I think they are deserving of some backlash, since they haven't seen any yet
quote:
Contacting Ontario Teachers Pension Plan:
»www.otpp.com/web/website.nsf/web···ontactus
Contacting your MP
»canada.gc.ca/directories-reperto···eng.html
(Don't forget about Government Free Mail »www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manua···#1379075)
CTRC On third Party Internet Access
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/t1003.htm#web
Contacting the CTRC
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/contactus.htm
Contacting Commissioner for Complaints for Telecommunications Services Inc. (CCTS)
»www.ccts-cprst.ca/
Contacting Industry Canada and associated Ministers
»www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/ic1.nsf/e···14e.html
ACTION ALERT: Demand net neutrality now
»canadians.org/action/2008/27-Mar-08.html
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mudman2479
join:2008-02-22
Amherstburg, ON
| reply to mudman2479
If you feel there is more that we can do...
You may speak to the Bell Canada Executive Office of Customer Relations by calling
Québec: 1 866-317-3382
Ontario: 1 866-317-3382
You may write to us at:
Bell Canada Executive Office of Customer Relations
P.O. Box 593, Station A
Toronto, Ontario
M5W 1E4
E-mail us at:
executive.office@bell.ca
To fax us:
1-800-554-5148 (no charge) |
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