TobiasFunke
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join:2007-02-27
Toronto, ON
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March 29th, @07:09PM
| Illustrating the network and throttling for non-tech people
I've come up with a simplified network diagram to use when introducing the current network infrastructure to non-techie people who want to understand the issue. The idea is to present the main pieces of the network that matter in this conversation: 1. what Bell owns and controls, 2. what TSI owns and controls and 3. what TSI leases from Bell.
With that said, I present the diagram for comments. Is anything wrong? Have I missed anything important? Is anything just unclear?
Thanks guys and gals! |
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infamouskid
join:2007-01-24
North York, ON | nice post. i think some users will be asking. where does the throttling take place?
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TobiasFunke
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join:2007-02-27
Toronto, ON | Good point. AFAIK, it's taking place at the BRAS? Is that right? I'll see if I can highlight it a little better. |
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infamouskid
join:2007-01-24
North York, ON | reply to TobiasFunke
well we could only assume for now where it is. we dont know what kind of throttling they are using yet do we?
lets hope to god they aint sandvine boxes.
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TobiasFunke
Premium
join:2007-02-27
Toronto, ON
| Ok, so here's another one, but I'm not certain this is an accurate picture of what they're doing.
I have another idea I'll post shortly. |
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Grounded
join:2007-12-13
canada
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This looks great. Could you also do an alternate version showing proportionally how much of the overall network is Bell, how much is TSI, how much is Peer1/Cogent,etc. ( as you accurately put it, that's really the Internet & it's not part of Bell.)
What I'm worried about is letting Bell take hold of the narrative where they already have most people believing that the bandwidth that TS & its users are using is actually Bell's resource. They are also pushing the argument that The Internet, not just Bell's switches, is being degraded by these protocols and they are not just preserving their own networks, but somehow protecting the integrity of the Internet for Canadians. |
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An Onymous
@teksavvy.com
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This is my dummy guide version...
The nasty part of this deal is as follows:
When a user downloads a file, the data gets from the internet to TSI who pays for the full use of their link to the user on a leasted part of Bell Annex's network.
The bandwidth is limited by how much capacities that TSI already paid for. There is no way the user can overflow the traffic at Bell Annex at all!! Not unless Bell Annex does not live up to their part of the bargain and not have enough capacity, but oversell their network.
The user at TSI downloading is no way affecting anyone other than fellow users at TSI. TSI actually doubled their capacities for the last few days... |
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sbrook
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H0H 0H0
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March 29th, @07:52PM
| Just to clarify that piccie a bit ... that's Leased lines (as opposed to least lines - which would mean the fewest lines  ) |
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HeadSpinning
join:2005-05-29
Windsor, ON | reply to An Onymous
Who is Bell Annex? I've heard of Bell Aliant, and Bell Nexxia (no longer exists), but never Bell Annex. |
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CanerisErik
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join:2007-10-03
Toronto, ON
| said by HeadSpinning  :Who is Bell Annex? I've heard of Bell Aliant, and Bell Nexxia (no longer exists), but never Bell Annex. He tried to spell Nexxia backwards, but the throttling caused Annex to come out. |
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An Onymous
@teksavvy.com
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Thanks guys for the spell checks... |
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ultracat
join:2008-01-30
Toronto, ON | reply to TobiasFunke
Love the idea and effort, but have a look at all these diagrams in the thread. Are any of them simple enough for a non-tech person to understand? |
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An Onymous
@teksavvy.com
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matradley
| ISP pays money to Bell. Bell screw ISP.
This simple enough? |
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Riplin
join:2002-05-13
canada | The most accurate representation yet. |
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andyb
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join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario | reply to An Onymous
LOL at least some people have a sence of humour rather than hate against idividuals not involved. |
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tranceduden
join:2007-05-16
Mississauga, ON | reply to An Onymous
said by An Onymous :
ISP pays money to Bell. Bell screw ISP.
This simple enough?
rofl, nice |
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Comment
@teksavvy.com
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said by TobiasFunke :Ok, so here's another one, but I'm not certain this is an accurate picture of what they're doing. I have another idea I'll post shortly. My only suggestion is that you drag the BAS+Throttle to the left so they are part of the 'blue' area - which all falls under Access Services and CRTC regulation.
This would make clearer the three sections of Access Provider, Internet Service Provider and the actual Internet itself.
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ultracat
join:2008-01-30
Toronto, ON
 ·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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said by An Onymous :
ISP pays money to Bell. Bell screw ISP.
This simple enough?
hahaha : ) Perfect! No seriously, I wasn't trying to poo-poo the efforts, but I really do think the layperson would need a 2-3 step diagram at most to grasp it. |
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An Onymous
@teksavvy.com
| "Everything should be as simple as it is, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein
For complex issues such as this, you can't always over simplify things. I have been reading websites for the last few days and noticed most of the readers' comments are incorrect. I guess this is the fault of the "U.S.A. Today" style media and the short attention span generation. |
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matradley
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join:2003-07-03
Ontario
·Bell Sympatico
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said by An Onymous :
ISP pays money to Bell. Bell screw ISP.
This simple enough?
I vote that we make a wallpaper out of this.  |
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