Topic 'Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others' in forum 'TekSavvy' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20252608 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:13:44 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:13:44 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20330337
I cannot browse the web or play games without problems happening. My signal is strong and clean, but it keeps having multiple login's (router has been out of the equation, so not that), and constant problems.

This has caused me a lot of aggravation and headache, phone bill costs, and now I'm having Crohn's attacks, causing me a lot of physical pain. This could lead to me missing work and having to go to the hospital.

All of this caused by Bell's traffic shaping of people who are not Bell customers. Good job Bell, you are destroying my life and costing me a lot of money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20330337 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:15:50 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20330145
I don't understand the 1gbps difference claim as the 1st graph only indicates an 0.4gbps change at 06:15.

The 2nd and 3rd graphs don't seem to relect the same time period as the 1st? They don't indicate the large spike at 06:15. The protocol recognition makes no sense, either. There's no way P2P is using that little in comparisson to UDP (?) and web traffic, it should surely be MUCH larger given its popularity and general size of transfers that take place (I've seen graphs from other ISPs that look far different to that distribution). I suspect P2P traffic is actually represented across all indicated protocols there, including UDP (which is nonsense, surely?). It also makes no sense at all that the 3rd graph shows a 110mbps drop across ALL protocols, and at ALL times of the day? They also appear to indicate peak activity in the wee morning hours and minimum in the evening. I gather the times indicated are 12 hours out of step?

All in all these graphs just don't make any sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20330145 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:48:39 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20329522 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20329522 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:38:32 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20326322
I plan to call them later to disconnect my phone. My mom has had it for 7 years now, but it's time to move on. I'll let them know why I'm deciding to cancel the service, too. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20326322 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:59:53 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20326276 said by netwerk2:

said by TSI Gabe:

Please judge for yourselves...
Most people use encrypted p2p now i think.
I don't know... not sure if it makes any difference. I use only encrypted and force it too - I still get throttled.

Plus, this limits incoming connection and download speeds since not everybody sharing the file have encrypted enabled/forced. Thus you're still artificially throttling yourself in a way :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20326276 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:35:20 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20326148 said by TSI Gabe:

Please judge for yourselves...
Thats a pretty neat graph. I'm curious how you can differentiate between encrypted p2p and other protocols. If its using a l7 type filter thats only going to show p2p un-encrypted traffic.

Most people use encrypted p2p now i think. So I really think that graph might be slightly inaccurate. I might be wrong though as I don't know very much about IP]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20326148 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 07:16:02 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20292205 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20292205 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:15:17 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20268634 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20268634 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:42:20 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20255750 »From the ennemy's mouth: P2P no longer largest bandwidth use

Bell should be throttling people surfing the web and watching YouTube since they seem to be the real culprits. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20255750 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:16:31 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20255344
In my case, ADSL2+ isn't really that exciting, since at most I'll probably see 1mbit up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20255344 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:38:48 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20255209 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20255209 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:10:40 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20255186 said by Bskll:

don't forget the almighty Punitive damagesPunitive damages are rarely awarded in Canadian judgements, so that's a non-starter. The fact that Bell did this without any prior warning, causing these ISPs significant financial hardship is most certainly grounds for some kind of suit, and shows a lot of bad faith on the part of Bell. In addition, the terms of the contract - the terms that Bell claims gives them this right - have been revealed to be no right at all, unless Bit Torrent, P2P, VoIP and other services are somehow considered network hacking.

I'd really like to see someone apply for an injunction pending the outcome of the case, especially considering the financial implications that are becoming more and more apparent.
--
I swear that I will faithfully and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20255186 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:01:20 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20255135 Punitive damages]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20255135 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:53:14 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20255129
I dont know the numbers but you and the other ISP can claim a lot of things when you think about it.

1) extra transit cost and any other cost committed based on your prior planning (ie equipment for upgrade, manpower on upgrade project that you did based on previous bandwidth requirements)

2) direct damage on your business from loss of customers due to this. Loss of existing customers and loss of future customers.

3) damage on your brand name and reputation since you are were advertising no throttled internet. cost of change in your marketing campaign ( website change, advertising)

4) Extra support overtime or manpower needed to respond to increased calls resulting from this sudden change imposed on your customers

5) exemplary damages as a preventive measure

Others can add in if they think of anything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20255129 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:51:10 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254986 --
TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254986 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:21:37 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254971 said by R0CKY:

I mentioned this in the "discount thread" but thought it was worth repeating.

As a result of this stuff (not being forewarned, etc...), we've now over-committed on transit!

We've committed to the following:

Peer1 - 1,000Mbps
Internap - 800Mbps
Cogent - 600Mbps
Teleglobe - 100Mbps
T-Systems - 100Mbps

Total committed - 2,600Mbps

So, savings.... after having sat down and done the math today with these graphs???? Don't think so.
This should be claimed to Bell as actual damages to TSI done by them doing it without forewarning .... If it is the same situation for all ISP it could add up to a nice sum (?)

Also exemplary damages should be asked to deter them from doing anything like this again without consulting with you first.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254971 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:18:33 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254911
I'm shocked by the difference. BitTorrent doesn't even use UDP for payload, so that 75% drop in UDP is stunning. I think I'll write to the minister of industry.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254911 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:08:04 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254808 said by TSI Gabe:

Guys, the scale was not changed. The graphs show the actual real difference.If the second and third graphs are taken at face value, then Bell traffic shaping has reduced TSI's entire bandwidth needs to one third of what they were, even during the hours that P2P isn't degraded.

Is this what you're saying?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254808 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:46:03 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254692 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254692 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:44:24 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254761
To be honest, I don't get the graph. *lol*

inferno_gn
--
Otaku Anime Network
»www.otakuanime.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254761 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:36:31 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254677 said by TSI Gabe:

[Thats because the traffic flow graph starts at midnight, the RRD graph starts at arround 1:00PM
Gosh, Gabe, you're right! Indeed, the throttling shaved off 66% of your traffic and indeed not only P2P is affected.

Hopefully you can use this in any possible forthcming legal dispute.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254677 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:23:01 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254623 said by R0CKY:

I mentioned this in the "discount thread" but thought it was worth repeating.

As a result of this stuff (not being forewarned, etc...), we've now over-committed on transit!

We've committed to the following:

Peer1 - 1,000Mbps
Internap - 800Mbps
Cogent - 600Mbps
Teleglobe - 100Mbps
T-Systems - 100Mbps

Total committed - 2,600Mbps

So, savings.... after having sat down and done the math today with these graphs???? Don't think so.
Then I'm sure you wouldn't mind running a fiber to my house. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254623 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:11:41 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254585 said by Black Moon:

But it does not coincide with the throttling hours.
Thats because the traffic flow graph starts at midnight, the RRD graph starts at arround 1:00PM
--
TSI Gabe - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254585 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:01:47 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254568 said by inferno_gn:

Hi there,

Eric is the guy who posted the Home Phone thingy?

inferno_gn
Yes. He has posted once or twice before that, but not much.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254568 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:58:22 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254564 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254564 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:57:46 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254547 --
TSI Gabe - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254547 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:53:27 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254350
Eric is the guy who posted the Home Phone thingy?

inferno_gn
--
Otaku Anime Network
»www.otakuanime.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254350 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:15:43 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254305 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254305 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:09:08 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254244
Rocky and Marc are brothers? :D That's cool to know. They should have put a color picture. *hehe*

inferno_gn
--
Otaku Anime Network
»www.otakuanime.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254244 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:55:40 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254239 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254239 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:55:06 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254229 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254229 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:52:59 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254063 said by R0CKY:

Ottawa gal from p2pnet just sent me this....

»www.p2pnet.net/story/15438
regarding this passage:

"The last thing Bell Canada wants, especially with the sale of the company front and centre, is for even more users to jump ship to the likes of TekSavvy, as they’ve been doing recently, especially since the mainstream media have now picked up the story."

Yes true that they dont want their customers base to shink further but even with that fact, the deal is already in jeopardy because the banks that are supposed to fund the deal (ie borrow the money to teachers pension and their consortium so that they can go out on the open market and buy the shares at 42$) are having cold feet.

They are simply running out of money because of the losses from all the bad debt on US mortgage that they bought. So they have to save and shore up liquidity in order to avoid panicking their customers and partners who at one point might feel that those banks wont have enough money to run normal operations anymore. If that happens then those banks will fail like Bear Stearns a week ago when everyone will be asking for their money back at the same time.

So it runs a lot deeper than BCE losing customers. Its more like the bank that was going to loan you the money to buy BCE simply cannot honor that loan anymore.

These are the same banks involved in the Clear Channel deal

Clear Channel Deal Still In Doubt
The largest U.S. radio broadcaster said its $19.5 bil deal to sell itself to private equity firms may collapse after banks financing the deal missed a meeting to close the sale, published report said. Earlier last week, buyers Bain Capital and Thomas H. Lee Partners sued the banks and won an injunction against them. Clear Channel (NYSE:CCU - News) fell 1.4% to 29.20.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20254063 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:19:11 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253870 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253870 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:41:05 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253841
120Mbps average down to 40Mbps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253841 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:34:48 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253803 said by Name96:

Torrent data transfers use TCP, not UDP.Not all torrent data is TCP, there is a good chunk that is also UDP, albeit your point still stands.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253803 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:26:47 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253695
All the talk about "lack of bandwidth" is complete nonsense. They want to destroy their competition, plain and simple.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253695 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:02:31 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253636 said by NeoStylez:

what does this mean r0cky
Short version:

means their story they fed the press, the story they are feeding everyone about how the throttle is due to lack of bandwidth is a load of poop.

Its about one thing and one thing only. How they can get the most money and at the same time destroy the competition (or try to).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253636 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:48:40 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253633 said by NeoStylez:

what does this mean r0ckyIt's strong circumstantial evidence that Bell is trying to abuse its last mile monopoly to extract more money from DSL internet users.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253633 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:48:15 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253610 said by R0CKY:

Ottawa Gal from p2pnet just sent me this....

»www.p2pnet.net/story/15438
what does this mean r0cky]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253610 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:42:34 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253531 said by Snickerdo:

Even if you combine all UDP traffic and all P2P traffic on those graphs, you're still at 50%, not 70-90% like Bell has tried to claim in the past.Torrent data transfers use TCP, not UDP. A traffic analyzer that couldn't tell the difference between TCP and UDP packets would best be described as severely broken.

The only things that make heavy use of UDP are streaming media, VOIP (VOIP is really just a subtype of streaming media anyway), gaming and certain VPNs. Nothing else should come close to this level of UDP usage. I'm certainly not aware of any P2P apps that make extensive use of UDP for data transfer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253531 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:24:55 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253528 said by BozoTheCl0wn:

said by TSI Gabe:

It's a netflow graph. Only a certain percentage of the data is collected. But it still represents a global view of the network.
Sampled Netflow is pretty common but your graphing applications should be adjusted according to the sample rate you are using if you want the traffic levels to be more representative of reality. Also, Netflow is pretty lousy at identifying applications because it only knows about ports. I wouldn't trust it's P2P classification because BT/P2P apps tend to use ports all over the place... That's why they rely on DPI now because it goes further than just ports and looks at payload signatures to identify applications.
Good information to know. That would explain why there is that high amount of "UDP" showing on the graph, when streaming media has it's own category. Worth noting though is that even if you were to combine UDP and P2P together, that still isn't the "80-90%" Bell claimed being used by P2P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253528 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:24:20 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253489
»www.p2pnet.net/story/15438
--
TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253489 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:15:10 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253480 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253480 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:14:07 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253459
As a result of this stuff (not being forewarned, etc...), we've now over-committed on transit!

We've committed to the following:

Peer1 - 1,000Mbps
Internap - 800Mbps
Cogent - 600Mbps
Teleglobe - 100Mbps
T-Systems - 100Mbps

Total committed - 2,600Mbps

So, savings.... after having sat down and done the math today with these graphs???? Don't think so.
--
TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253459 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:10:11 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253381
Correction: I think these numbers need to be multiplied by something.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253381 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:48:10 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253364 said by ultracat:

It's the scale I think. That's a typical effect when comparing to similar graphs at different scales.
hmm, true enough. i'm a bit slow. :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253364 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:44:43 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253341
if we could get both of same graphs with the same scale on the left..then the impact of the graph would be more effective.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253341 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:39:39 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253336 said by Snickerdo:

Even if you combine all UDP traffic and all P2P traffic on those graphs, you're still at 50%, not 70-90% like Bell has tried to claim in the past.
I'm not so sure about that, I'd like to see a difference (before - after) graph if possible, so we can see exactly whats changed. Any chance we could get some raw charted data (perhaps using a better system then port identification), instead of a graph? then we could make our pie graphs and such for clarity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253336 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:38:31 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253329 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253329 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:37:17 EDT Re: How much Bell's throttling affects our network and others http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253315 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-How-much-Bells-throttling-affects-our-network-and-others-20253315 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:34:32 EDT