WillieLowMain
@verizon.net
| [northeast] Setup without Actiontec Own Router and NIM
I have FIOS tripple play with TIVO and Cablecards so I do not need the actiontec at all. In addition I want to migrate back to my Linksys BEFVP41 because I want the hardware VPN that comes with that.
I have the MOCA install right now and prefer to just leave that as is. I have a motorola Nim 100.
I have 2 computers (XP Box and Linux Box).
The XP Box is connected to my as yet not disconnected DSL via the Linksys router (192.168.2.1). The Linux box is connected to the Fios via the actiontec (192.168.1.1).
Here are the steps I have followed unsuccessfully:
In the Linksys router I changed the connection method from PPPOE to Obtain Automatically.
I powered the NIM and connected the cat5 from it to the WAN port on the Linksys
From the Linux Box I entered the Actiontec setup and released the IP, immediately setting the connection method to no IP and then saving. Loss of internet was verified.
I removed the coax from the actiontec and connected it to the "IN" F connector on the Nim.
After several repeats of this, including various router and NIM power off/on scenarios, there is still no internet through the linksys.
Each time I restore the original setup I get the MOCA light on the ONT and internet back within a minute. Each time the IP address is the same.
My suspiscion is that the IP address is not releasing on verizons end and this is the cause of the problem. I expect that a call to them after the setup is done will force a reset and get me going. Still I prefer to do this on my own.
Before taking any other steps, I would like to verify that the above method is correct and also answer the following questions:
1: Cat5 Out from the NIM into the WAN port of the Linksys?
2: Coax from the ONT to the "IN" F connector on the Nim.?
3: Do I have to clone the MAC Addy of the actiontec in the linksys. |
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More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
 ·Bay Area Internet ..
| While I understand you would prefer to keep the MOCA connection to the ONT, I'm not aware of anyone that has gotten a 3rd party router to work using a NIM-100 for the WAN side connection.
Per a post from DMS1 here: »Re: NIM100 issues
The NIM only supports the eight LAN-side MoCA channels, and not the WAN-side channel. ... Just ask Verizon to switch the ONT to use the Ethernet port instead and connect directly to that.
The NIM-100 is used to backfeed the ethernet LAN to the STB's via the splitter.
ONT-->cat5-->router-->cat5-->NIM<--+
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ONT-->coax-->spliter+--------------+
+--->STB
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Rattler
join:2001-04-13
Havertown, PA
·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | reply to WillieLowMain
To make "More Fiber's" point a little clearer, what you need to do is diagrammed above. That's the way my FiOS is implemented and it works just fine. Just substitute your router for the WRT54GS in the diagram.
Note: Requires V* to switch your internet to the Ethernet jack in the ONT, thus removing it from the coax.
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Hajman
join:2001-12-17
Phoenixville, PA
| The OP said he wants to leave the MOCA install along. Thus, the OP does not need the NIM at all. He needs to keep the Actiontec connected to the COAX from the ONT and follow the instructions for using the Actiontec as a bridge.
Of course, he can switch provisioning to ethernet but he then has to get ethernet from the ONT to the router. I am happy every day that my install was early that I was natively provisioned on ethernet with a router and NIM. |
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI | Will a NIM-100 pull an IP from the Actiontec and deliver an ethernet connection to a device? I thought the answer was yes, remembering a post a while back where someone did just that. I think he wanted to run a Tivo off it. |
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VARTV
join:2003-06-11
Virginia Beach, VA
| reply to Rattler
Hey ALL,
I'm getting FiOS data on 4/7. I'm requesting an ethernet install. I want to keep using my Linksys router. I'm NOT getting FiOS video service.
I ran cat6 from the area where the ONT will be located to a room upstairs where my current router is located. I have NOTHING connected to the router. All computers, printers, bridges, etc in my house are wireless. I'm trying to avoid using the ActionTec router...
Do you guys see any issues with this kind of set up? Any other suggestions?
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Hajman
join:2001-12-17
Phoenixville, PA
| reply to birdfeedr
said by birdfeedr  :Will a NIM-100 pull an IP from the Actiontec and deliver an ethernet connection to a device? I thought the answer was yes, remembering a post a while back where someone did just that. I think he wanted to run a Tivo off it. The answer is, more or less, yes. MOCA puts the LAN on the coax in your house. So, anywhere you've got coax, you've got internet. You just need a NIM to bridge the coax over to ethernet.
For example, I am provisioned using ethernet. I also have Fios TV. My infrastructure looks like this.
ONT -- Dlink Router -- NIM (which is hooked to LAN switch of router and also to coax splitter supplying the rest of the house)
At each coax outlet, there is video and LAN traffic. If you want TV, just plug the TV into the coax. If you want TV and a network device, split the coax and put one split into the TV device and the other into another NIM. The NIM then also plugs (via ethernet) into the network device (like a TIVO HD) and you've got 100mbs connectivity to the LAN.
If you are provisioned using MOCA (and thus have to use the Actiontec), everything above is the same except the router and NIM are combined (but a NIM would still be needed at each wall outlet to bridge the coax-based LAN back to ethernet).
One last point - the NIM does not pull an IP address from the router. It does have a static IP address of some sort but there is no user configurable interface. For user purposes, the NIM just works when you plug it in correctly (kind of like a LAN switch). |
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Hajman
join:2001-12-17
Phoenixville, PA
| reply to VARTV
said by VARTV :I have NOTHING connected to the router. All computers, printers, bridges, etc in my house are wireless. I'm trying to avoid using the ActionTec router... Do you guys see any issues with this kind of set up? Any other suggestions? To be more precise, you have nothing connected to the router using an ethernet cable. You actually have many devices connected to the router via wireless. 
To answer your question, the tech is required to do the setup using the Actiontec router so you will get the Actiontec router whether you want it or not. Once the tech is done, you can swap out the Actiontec router for a router of your choice. I think you first have to release the WAN IP address on the Actiontec and then power down the Actiontec router (or maybe clone the Actiontec WAN MAC address over to your router).
Otherwise, I think you've prepared the site for an ethernet install. |
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VARTV
join:2003-06-11
Virginia Beach, VA
| said by Hajman :said by VARTV :I have NOTHING connected to the router. All computers, printers, bridges, etc in my house are wireless. I'm trying to avoid using the ActionTec router... Do you guys see any issues with this kind of set up? Any other suggestions? To be more precise, you have nothing connected to the router using an ethernet cable. You actually have many devices connected to the router via wireless. To answer your question, the tech is required to do the setup using the Actiontec router so you will get the Actiontec router whether you want it or not. Once the tech is done, you can swap out the Actiontec router for a router of your choice. I think you first have to release the WAN IP address on the Actiontec and then power down the Actiontec router (or maybe clone the Actiontec WAN MAC address over to your router). Otherwise, I think you've prepared the site for an ethernet install. This is what I was trying to avoid because cloning, releasing WAN IP address, etc is over my head. Wonder if I'll have a "nice" tech who will do the necessary work to take out the ActionTec for my Linksys... for free??? LOL
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WillieLowMain
@verizon.net
| reply to WillieLowMain
Thanks for the replies.
Given that I now have all the materials (NIM, Actiontec Linksys Router) to do it either way (MOCA vs Ethernet), and given that it seems an equal headache either way, I am wondering if there is an advantage to one setup over the other.
I consider that the answer is situation specific but I thought I would throw it out for discussion anyway |
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Hajman
join:2001-12-17
Phoenixville, PA
| said by WillieLowMain :
Thanks for the replies.
Given that I now have all the materials (NIM, Actiontec Linksys Router) to do it either way (MOCA vs Ethernet), and given that it seems an equal headache either way, I am wondering if there is an advantage to one setup over the other.
I consider that the answer is situation specific but I thought I would throw it out for discussion anyway
At least at this point, I would much prefer an ethernet connection from the ONT. This setup provides maximum end-user ease, flexbility and control over your Internet experience but is completely neutral to TV (assuming a decent router) and phone functionality. |
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More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
| reply to WillieLowMain
I agree with Hajman's comments that an ethernet connection from the ONT gives you the most flexibility. It also allows you to eliminate dependency on the Actiontec. From a hardware perspective, the Actiontec is very capable. Unfortunately, VZ's very buggy firmware turn the Actiontec into a POS.
If you do choose to replace the Actiontec, be sure that you get a router that has sufficient throughput to support FIOS speeds. |
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WillieLoMain
Premium
join:2004-07-28
Long Beach, NY
| Many thanks again:
Looks like I will do the changeover to ethernet per your suggestions.
My present router is a linksys BEFVP41 and it looks like it will have to go. This is a shame because I have one in each of 8 locations now and it has been very solid for me.
At home, where my fios install is, I have it piggy backed onto a WRT300N for the wireless (which I use only for limited purposes as of right now).
Anyone care to suggest a single solution, wireless-N with built in VPN and the throughput for the job. |
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More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA | You might check out this thread:
»Which router to replace Actiontec |
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bsudbrink
join:2008-03-13
Silver Spring, MD | reply to Rattler
Is there some reason not to use the pass-through in the NIM100? I'm using it in my setup and avoiding the triple splitter. |
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Hajman
join:2001-12-17
Phoenixville, PA | None that I am aware of. |
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