Danny
@magma.ca
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dadkins 
| reply to ureihcim
Re: Excuse me?
In his defense, just because it's a copy does not mean it does not cause any damage. This prevents the actual sale of the product. I will agree it is not stealing by technical terms but the effects are still the same. However, just because someone pirates a movie, song, or piece of software, this doesn't mean that had they not pirated it, that they would've purchased it. |
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ureihcim
Freshly made
join:2007-12-16
Miami, FL
| Hey it's your responsibility for the copy of that data you bought, if you scratched it all up and left the disc on top of the DVD player and now it won't play that's your own fault. The copy you paid for is damage, that does not mean or it gives you the right to go and download someone else's copy and make it your own. This is why we backup data.
This is why we have hard copies of software on CD, for us to use. If the software is protected by a form of serial it does not matter if it's pirated or not. Hell it would save Microsoft billions by distributing Windows over a distributed content system like Bittorrent. The problem though is that the software you download was not granted permission to be distributed in that form or fashion. It also was not granted for you to obtain a license of that software either. So when it applies to software that requires a key, you technically stole a specific users key. For music and movies, the right to distribute that content online is simply not your own. Nobody said you can't take your DVD and play it on your friends 80in LCD.
When you buy music and movies you have the right to own it, and use it for your own personal use, but you do not have a license or the privilege to distribute it. Just because you can does not make it a right.
If those things where in place and worked as they should have the need for DRM is not there, but for every copy out there, it's another 9.99 that the company won't see. This is why the most money now comes from live tours and not CD sales.
The music industry does not need to bend over to your demands, nor do you to bend out to them. If you disagree with their practices ignore their products.
We are in a digital era where you don't need a record label to publish, make, and sell your music. Stop beating the dead horse already. |
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dadkins
Land of Confusion
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
 ·Comcast
| Backup data?
We are in a constant battle for backing up *our* media.
Look at Blu-ray: AACS, BD+... those are supposed to make copying BDs impossible.
So, for us to enjoy this new technology, we have to bend to their will and not be able to back our media up?
It gets damaged, tough shit? Buy another? 
Where are you on that?
Yeah, *I* can copy BDs... even though *they* are trying to make it impossible.  
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ureihcim
Freshly made
join:2007-12-16
Miami, FL
| If they are making it impossible then throw that BS to the garbage. Dadkins, I don't use BS that does not allow me to do what I wish, and if I do it's because it's tolerable. If I cannot backup the content I purchased, then they can kiss my arse.
Just take care of it, that's all I can say, you have insurance companies who will protect your toilet paper for 50 cents a month these days, it wouldn't surprise me if they would protect your BD+ equipment and CD's.
My position is neutral when it comes to piracy because I worked in the industry and I can also understand it as a consumer. But you know me already and when it comes to crap I don't like I either return it, and if that fails it becomes a projectile through Sony Pictures HQ's window. One way or the other I still win because I am the customer because I have the option of saying yes or no to the content that is provided to me. It's my money and I will use it wisely.
There are too many things to do in life than BS about BD+ or AACS, go sky diving or snow boarding once and a while. It's a lot more entertaining that sitting your butt on the computer breaking the crypto for a BD+ to get it to play on VLC.
If it's really worth it the BS content they give you, then by all means continue. But I am not bending over to anyone just so I can get my fix of House or the latest episode of Friends.
Music is very important to me and it's also part of my lifestyle, but again I am always on the hunt for new and better tunes. Most of the stuff that's actually good out there is not provided by the record labels. All that candy rap BS, is not really rap. The underground content is the real deal, which more than 99% of the time is free or published on some website for the world to hear. |
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dadkins
Land of Confusion
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Go skydiving? Snowboarding?
Uhm... wish I could! Alas, I cannot.
I get to sit here, and even that is somewhat of an adventure in pain.
I got Blu-ray because I wanted better than DVD could offer me.
Plus, as soon as blank media comes down a bit more, 25-50GB of backed up data per disc will be a hell of a perk, no? 
BTW, breaking encryption on a DVD is a no-no.
Yeah, we can do it fairly easy these days... but still.
Hell! I can copy Sony DVDs, on a Sony laptop, with Sony software, and burn it to a Sony blank!
What irony? 
Take care friend!
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
| And then you can have fun trying to rebuild that laptop after you discover there rootkit that was intentionally installed.
There are so many valid points here. Most people wouldn't be buying the crap that they're downloading.....I mean really; Metallica??? Pffft.
On the other hand piracy IS theft of property. There is a financial loss here. So for all of you that pee and moan about the tactics of the RIAA, just don't listen or support thier players in any way shape or form. Theres plenty of decent music out there in all genres for people that want to do business with non-RIAA affiliated musicians.
As far as leading to terrorism.....maybe they should take a long hard look at whos downloading John Mayer...I'd be all for that!
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Noah Vail
Serial Thread Killer
Premium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
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| reply to ureihcim
Beat your Snake and Salve it too.
Correct me if I'm wrong;
When I buy a music CD, I am purchasing 2 things.
I am buying the use of those pieces of music.
I am also buying the media and packaging they're embedded in.
Good so far?
If the Music industry were as concerned with equanimity and propriety as they claim, then if I have scratched a CD, I should be able to return the damaged item and receive a replacement after paying a token media charge, since I have already purchase fair use.
Fair Use of IP is works both ways. When I have purchased mine, to charge me a second time for that same privilege is dishonest. Just as it would be to charge me twice for painting my house once.
Another reason why I defend and encourage what is termed music piracy, as a form of civil disobedience. I will continue to do so until the RIAA executives are in prison and the entity disbanded.
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Steve
Security is inefficient
Consultant
join:2001-03-10
Tustin, CA
| reply to Danny
Re: Excuse me?
said by Danny :
However, just because someone pirates a movie, song, or piece of software, this doesn't mean that had they not pirated it, that they would've purchased it. Everybody agrees on this point.
But the legal standard is that the copy "satisfy the taste for the original", which means that even if you would not buy a copy, you wanted it it enough to steal it. Then it's stealing.
ok, so it's copyright infringement and not theft. bfd |
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AquaBlaze
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| said by Steve :But the legal standard is that the copy "satisfy the taste for the original", which means that even if you would not buy a copy, you wanted it it enough to steal it. Then it's stealing. ok, so it's copyright infringement and not theft. bfd It is a BFD. Crimes have labels for a reason. If I jaywalk and get brought up on charges for assault, that's a pretty BFD. Call it what you want, but when it comes to legal matters, having the appropriate label for an action is *very* important.
I mean, put it this way...PR for broadcasters call my TiVo-ing their shows & fast-forwarding through commercials "stealing". Does it make it such? Hell no. |
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