ke4pym
join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC
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| Re: Good luck with that.. With the right hardware, it is trival to crack SSL traffic.
Man in the middle attacks are pretty easy when you're the ISP.
I think it will be interesting to see how many people VirginMedia ultimately kick off their network and if there is any impact to that division's bottom line. | |
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join:2007-03-17
3 edits | Re: Good luck with that.. said by ke4pym  :With the right hardware, it is trival to crack SSL traffic. Man in the middle attacks are pretty easy when you're the ISP. I think it will be interesting to see how many people VirginMedia ultimately kick off their network and if there is any impact to that division's bottom line. Modern encryption is not at all easy to crack. What you refer to as "Man in the middle attacks" requires a highly selective circumstance, which I do not think applies here | |
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Sterling
IP Support Tier III
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join:2003-05-30
Pittsburgh, PA | Re: Good luck with that.. Took another 60 or so years but looks like fascism is finally taking off. | |
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| cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| i agree, with the amount of packets that pass through the ISP's network and a cracking time much larger than real time, SSL of sufficient key size is still secure. from what i've found 40-bit keys for ssl isn't that secure, but nearly all keys now are 128-bit for ssl, so good luck cracking that. | |
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mmainprize
join:2001-12-06
Houghton Lake, MI | Re: Good luck with that.. So now the ISP are going to become hacker to find priates, ya right, give me a break. Is that not illegle also. | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Re: Good luck with that.. That works by being the go between and grabbing the ssl key then passing it on. Easily defeated by tunneling  . I should know , I do it daily.
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| nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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| Re: Good luck with that.. said by TKJunkMail :... That will get all but the hardcore thieves to back off. thieves? I thought we were talking about infringement.
hard to have a proper discussion when one party uses the wrong terms. | |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| Re: Good luck with that.. said by nasadude :said by TKJunkMail :... That will get all but the hardcore thieves to back off. thieves? I thought we were talking about infringement. hard to have a proper discussion when one party uses the wrong terms. A rose by any name smells the same.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: Good luck with that.. said by TKJunkMail :said by nasadude :said by TKJunkMail :... That will get all but the hardcore thieves to back off. thieves? I thought we were talking about infringement. hard to have a proper discussion when one party uses the wrong terms. A rose by any name smells the same. Birds of a feather... got broadband?
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BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
| Re: Good luck with that.. said by TKJunkMail :A rose by any name smells the same. said by dadkins :Birds of a feather... got broadband? "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —President George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 | |
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| said by dadkins :Birds of a feather... got broadband? don't forget it takes one to know one and just do it! | |
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BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
| said by TKJunkMail : All you have to do is kick off a couple hundred and then publicize it like crazy. That will get all but the hardcore thieves to back off. Yeah that has worked for the RIAA and their racketeering(lawsuits).  | |
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mmainprize
join:2001-12-06
Houghton Lake, MI | I dont know about you but I and many other would not longer need high speed connection just to get e-mail and a little brosing the net.
This move could harm the internet as a whole. | |
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Piracyisnottheft
@aliant.net
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| Copyright infringement is not theft. Why can't you numskulls get it through your head. | |
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TechieZero
Tools Are Using Me
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join:2002-01-25
Wesley Chapel, FL | Re: Good luck with that.. said by Piracyisnottheft :
Copyright infringement is not theft. Why can't you numskulls get it through your head.
OK...so what is it then? | |
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join:2000-08-16
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| Re: Good luck with that.. said by TechieZero :said by Piracyisnottheft :
Copyright infringement is not theft. Why can't you numskulls get it through your head.
OK...so what is it then? From Dictionary.com:
# Breach or infraction, as of a law, right, or obligation; violation; transgression.
# An act of infringing.
# An act that disregards an agreement or a right.
# A crime less serious than a felony.
# A violation, as of a law, regulation, or agreement; a breach.
# An encroachment, as of a right or privilege. | |
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Piracyisnottheft
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TechieZero
Tools Are Using Me
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join:2002-01-25
Wesley Chapel, FL
| Re: Good luck with that.. said by Piracyisnottheft :
Theft is when you steal a physical object belonging to another person while copyright infringement is when you copy IP without permission from the copyright holder. There is a huge difference between the two.
So in both cases, someone is getting something that was created or built by someone else and not paying for it. Correct? | |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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define trivial. We have Sun e20k's that I frequently use when there is low usage to try and attack ssl 128. It's not trivial. And those suckers are number crunching fiends.
Considering those boxes full loaded run easily over 4 million I would not say trivial.
Plus snooping ssl becomes a slippery slope. Actually more like a luge track. What happens if a hacker finds a way in and starts picking off bank transactions ? Or stored traffic is analyzed and a hacker finds a way in to get personal data.
You think they will get immunity ? I don't , banks don't play when it comes to big loses. TJX any one ?
Virgin Media will be raked over the coals and spit on for their pittance. I for one would love to see the people revolt and leave them floundering like AOL. Send a good solid message that the net is the next frontier and controlling a world wide frontier is not the business of the entertainment industry.
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Edge1
Workin' Ta Live
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join:2006-03-01
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| Re: Good luck with that.. Thanks for that interesting post. I hadn't really thought about it much, but you make a great point about snooping encrypted traffic. Legitimate transactions...I guess the internet is actually used for stuff that contributes to economies  . Can't believe that one or two organizations can bitch whine and cry like this and get away with it, even getting ISPs like VM to bend over. | |
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