Camelot One
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| Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. May not be the right forum for this, but I didn't see a better option.
I have a 2 acre field behind the house, on the other side of a 6 foot privacy fence. Technically it is community property, owned by the HOA. Last year with all the rain, the ragweed that had overtaken the field grew to almost 20ft tall. As you can imagine, the bugs, rats, etc were out of control. It took some time, but I finally managed to convince the HOA to let me clean it up.
First step was bringing in a brush hog, which quickly showed the need for some trash cleanup. Seems when they built the neighborhood they used this field for overflow junk. I got all of the ragweed knocked down, the trash removed, and even trimmed the handful of trees so that the branches weren't hanging at decapitation levels. There are still a lot of smaller stumps and the roots of the ragweed out there, making a normal lawn mower useless. But it was all at brush hog level atleast. But then I got busy with work for a few weeks.
Now that the weather has warmed up, rained almost daily, and been overcast almost everyday for the past 3 weeks, I have a thriving field of poison ivy/poison oak. It's a solid blanket of the stuff, can't see a single blade of grass. I would imagine some of it will die out once the Texas sun comes out - if it every does. But in the mean time I need to do something. Now that its not a solid wall of ragweed, neighborhood pets (including my own) are chasing critters into the field, and then bringing the poison ivy back with them. This is no good.
So...anyone have suggestions how to kill this stuff? I've tried some RoundUp Poison Ivy killer on a few small sections, and it seems to kill off the taller stuff, but the poison ivy is so thick that the stuff underneath it gets protected, and just grows up to take the place of the dead. Not to mention trying to treat a 2 acre lot with hand sprayer is a joke. We can get a pickup truck back there, but I'm not sure about a commercial sprayer truck.
I would be fine with a general broadleaf killer, I don't care if it takes out everything (grass included) but it must NOT harm trees. This is important, as there are 5 huge, beautiful pecan trees on the lot.
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dgilbert
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| Re: Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. go on ebay and order glyphosphate. you can get a 2.5 gallon jug of the concentrate for under 70.00 shipped. this is the SAME thing as RU, just the generic version. i use it is all teh time to kill PI/PO. your best bet is to brush hog again, then a couple days later spray the whole lot. thick stalks must be soaked for it to work. mix your spray up about 3 oz of glyphosphate ot 1 gallon of water. it won't harm the big trees, but any saplings will die if you soak them as well.
buy/rent a tank sprayer. i tow mine behind my lawn tractor. either that or get you a good back pack sprayer and prepare to spend a lot of time out there.
using this stuff i have managed to even bring kudzu under control and keep it away from our tower sites.
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GFLeeper
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| Hopefully the poison ivy is growing in patches so you could treat limited areas by spot spraying. Spot treatment of poison ivy with a broadleaf weed killer would be the best way to keep the pecan trees protected. When spraying use a large droplet size with the nozzle close to the poison ivy. Spray under windless conditions.
Check the pecan trees to be certain the poison ivy vines are not growing up the trees. If they are, sever vines with an axe or hatchet. If the vines have grown up the trees, there will be patches of poison ivy under them.
It will probably require several annual treatments with weed killer as the poison ivy seeds germinate. I have found it to take 3-5 years to get rid of a well established infestation. After that an annual survey with treatment as needed will control any poison ivy that has been reseeded by bird droppings.
Before applying broadleaf weed killer, remember it works best on actively growing plants. Let the poison ivy get well established this year before attacking.
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Camelot One
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| Either I am misunderstanding, or the two of you are offering conflicting suggestions. Brush hog first.....but it needs to be well established? I was under the impression the chemicals were more effective if sprayed on the leaves, which would be removed with the brush hog.
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1 edit | The two recommendations differ because of the weed killer used. Davidg is recommending glyphosate while I am recommending a broadleaf weed killer. Even glyphosate works best if there is some vegetation left on which to apply the spray.
If the entire area is infested with poison ivy then go with glyphosate. If the poison ivy is in patches and you would like to keep any grass that is mixed in with it, stick with a broadleaf killer. | |
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wth
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| The op's intentions are good, but I think the best solution is to have/force the hoa into hiring a lawn service to take care of the problem, since it's the hoa land. There's no reason the hoa can't cleanup all the junk, have the entire area sprayed, and then reseeded. | |
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dgilbert
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| the only reason i say to brush hog first is that you say it is so thick that underlying plants are not getting sprayed. sut it back to where you can see all the plants, give it a few days to recover fromteh shock, then spray it. or go oout and spray it every weekend until you get it all, either way works.
i use a tow behind spot sprayer and literally soak everything when i spray. but then i don't have to keep spraying that area either! with a hand sprayer you just cannot possibly get enough out there to do any good.
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| Re: Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. I would demand the HOA deal with it as a health hazard. I understand why you've taken it on yourself, but it's their job to take care of it.
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Camelot One
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| Getting our HOA just to agree to let me do it was a task, and they have (at much arguing) agreed to pay for the supplies needed. But thats as far as I could get them to go. Their argument is largely based on the fact that there is a 6' fence separating the homes from this field.
I don't have a riding mower, so the pull behind sprayer isn't an option. I guess I could look into renting one for the day.
To be honest I hadn't planned on doing this part myself. This is Texas.....land of "cheap" labor - and I'd gladly be out the cost of the labor to get it done. The HOA will pay me back for the chemicals.
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gaforces
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| Re: Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. I just did some patches with a 1 gallon sprayer. I waited 2 weeks after spraying, then pulled em out with the roots.
I expect I'll have to spray one more time to get the ones that broke above the roots.
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Leander, TX | You can buy a backpack sprayer at Lowes or Home Depot for less than $100. They hold 4 gallons. | |
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Edgewater, MD | Gas is the only thing that has worked for me. | |
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dgilbert
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| if you are going to hire it out, then go buy a few 2.5 gallon hand sprayers and hand them out to the labor force. 3-4 men can knock it out in a few hours. just be prepared to have them do it again in a couple weeks.
BTW, PI/PO can still cause rashes even when dead. my stepdad caught PI from clearing out some dead stuff that had been left hanging in the trees for a couple years. the vines were dry and snapped easily, yet it still contained the oils that cause the rash. until you totally clear the debris of it, it is still contagious.
since you say there is a lot of stumps/trash there, why not hire a guy to come in with a dozer or a tractor with a blade and level the whole lot. this will not only get rid of the PI/PO, but the stumps and such as well. around here you can hire a handyman type from the classifieds for less than 500.00 to do this sized job.
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Camelot One
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| Re: Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. There are gas lines running through the field, so a dozer is completely out of the question. (that was my first idea on how to handle the lot, HOA gave a flat no.)
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| robbin
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| said by dgilbert  :if you are going to hire it out, then go buy a few 2.5 gallon hand sprayers and hand them out to the labor force. 3-4 men can knock it out in a few hours. I have been spraying probably close to an acre a few times a year to control some little sticker plants using a backpack sprayer. They work so much better than pump up sprayers do. I think one man could do the 2 acres in a day. The nice thing about the backpack is you don't have to keep stopping to pump it up. Instead, you pump as you spray. | |
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gaforces
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Santa Cruz, CA | I don't get PI/PO as bad as some people, but I still use thick gloves and long sleeves. Then when I get done I wash up with Technu soap. | |
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Pacrat
Old and Cranky
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Cortland, OH | Re: Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. Add a little liquid dish soap to the mix... it'll cut the oil by acting as a "wetting" agent. | |
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| Roundup works wonders, as said the active ingredient is glyphosphate which works best during the growing season. If there is other stuff you don't want to kill, soak a sponge and use that to apply to the PI foliage. Thick vines growing into trees, cut off and apply glyphosphate to the part going to the roots. PI will take awhile to knock down, but it can be done if you keep at it. | |
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ekiM
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clubs: | If the area is enclosed completely by fence - borrow a couple of hungry goats. I know they will eat poison oak. Had a friend that did just that on about an acre.
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RailRoadDude
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4 edits | We live in a very rural and heavily forested area up here in Northwestern California (Redwood Valley in Mendocino County), and Poison Oak is allover the place, we have it growing outside and within our property/yard. I don't know how Poison Ivy is, but Poison Oak sends out huge systems underground, and grows as a vine and a bush, to kill it you have to poison the entire system, which is next to impossible. Posion Oak vines and bushes also have berries on them, the birds and deer eat them here (they love them!) and then spread the seeds in their droppings. The best way I know to control it is to keep it cut down and cut back, NEVER burn it as the fumes are toxic! I am VERY sensitive to Poison Oak, so I have to be very careful when working around it, Poison Ivy is VERY rare here in the west, Poison Oak is plenty though lol One cool thing about it, the leaves turn beautiful colors in the late summer and fall, red, orange, yellow, gold, a rainbow!
Anyway, good luck in your quest!
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CylonRed
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Bloom County | Re: Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. Poison Ivy is the same way.... | |
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fcisler
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Riverhead, NY | I can tell you how my family/friends used to get rid of it - hire me!
I'm immune to Poison Ivy/Oak/Sumac/etc, So I would just go in and rip the s*it out!
As far as getting it out any other way - sorry, don't know | |
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Camelot One
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| Re: Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. said by fcisler :I can tell you how my family/friends used to get rid of it - hire me! I'm open to that idea....but I think your commute to Austin would be a bit long 
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Kalamazoo, MI | Re: Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. To kill Poison Ivy/Oak you need a woody bush spray. Round up will omly get the leaves and it wil come back next year. A woody bush spray is cheaper then round up. Just go to your local garden center. | |
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dgilbert
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| Re: Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. said by David3941 :To kill Poison Ivy/Oak you need a woody bush spray. Round up will omly get the leaves and it wil come back next year. A woody bush spray is cheaper then round up. Just go to your local garden center. as i said earlier, do not buy RU brand, buy generic Glyphosphate from Ebay. it is the EXACT same thing as RU Ultra Concentrate, at way less cost. i just checked and the price has gone up, but 2.5 gallons of Razor Pro is about 97.00, 1 gallon or RU is 115.00 on Ebay. you mix it 3 oz to a gallon and either one will completely eliminate PI/PO.
no matter what is used, hte dead stuff must be removed fromteh area or it does no good. dead PI/PO will still give you a rash just like the live ones will.
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clubs: | Re: Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. huhuhuh.. he said "woody bush"
by the way, it's glyphosate... no 'ph' in the middle. | |
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dgilbert
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| Re: Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. said by rjackal :huhuhuh.. he said "woody bush" by the way, it's glyphosate... no 'ph' in the middle. »home.howstuffworks.com/question357.htm the generic DOES have "ph" in the middle. RU uses glyphosate, generics use glyphosphate, both are based onteh same chemical compounds though.
roundup has a surfactant in it to stick. so does razor pro. believe me, i use about 10 gallons of the concentrate per year, enough to make over 1200 gallons of finished product of the same strength as what you buy off the shelf in a store. the generic works just as good and is just as rain fast as the branded version, and way cheaper. it is not a matter of it "sticking" during a rain so much as it is a matter of it soaking in to the plant enough prior to the rain to be effective. the newer off the shelf ready to use stuff actually has a higher percentage of glyphosate than the older stuff, so even a little soaking in a few minutes before a rain will still work, the rest jsut washes off. you could get the same effect by soaking the plant completely with teh old version, and it had a 2 hour wait before a rain.
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| Re: Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. I've tried a concentrated generic kind. Don't remember the name but a few summers ago it rained nearly 3 days a week and on the day I used it an hour after spraying it on some plants it did. A week later it was obvious it didn't kill anything.
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RailRoadDude
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| Re: Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. We don't have that problem here, it doesn't rain at all (beyond a thunderstorm or two) from around the 1st of June until early October. You can't get rid of it around here anyway, it's literally everywhere, and as long as you're careful it's not a problem, besides, the berries they produce serve as a food source for the deer and birds. | |
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rawgerz
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Grove City, PA | Not exactly the same.
Roundup has some sort of fat in it that prevents it from getting washed off from rain. | |
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kherr
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RailRoadDude
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| Re: Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. said by kherr :2 words ........ Agent Orange. Yeah, that's good if you want to give your area cancer, of course, at least they won't be itching like crazy while they die  | |
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Bluff Dale, TX
| I see you are in Texas so you can probably find this product at farm or ranch supply stores. I know Tractor Supply carries it. The product name is Remedy. It is used primarily to kill mesquite trees and brush. It will kill the PO/PI with one application. To kill trees a basal (on the trunk) application/mixture is used. One part Remedy – three parts diesel. Spraying a 12 inch strip around the tree at the base, just to the point of runoff.
It can also be mixed and used as a foliar spray. When a surfacent is called for use liquid soap. Can’t remember the foliar mix ratio but it is much lower than 25%. Do not mow it if you decide to use any type of foliar spray.
Remedy costs about $100 a gallon. It is also available as Remedy RTU(ready to use), the 1part/3part diesel. So you will know what it is when you see it.
I looked it up real quick. The foliar application for PO/PI would be about 2oz remedy/2oz surfacent per gallon of water.
Be careful of spray drift close to trees you wan to keep, lower the spray pressure and keep spray nozzle closer to the ground.
Doing two acres wouldn’t be hard, I’m on my third gallon killing mesquite trees. You do not need a license to purchase. It is safe. It is also aerial sprayed on mesquite. | |
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RailRoadDude
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Redwood Valley, CA | Re: Poison Ivy/Poison Oak killer. It also says to keep it away from bodies of water, or land near bodies of water, it is highly toxic to aquatic wildlife. | |
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