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RobP

join:2008-03-30
Brantford, ON
reply to cacruden
Re: Hands off our network, Bell tells CRTC

We all saw this coming right?

What irks me the most is that the CRTC and the government haven't slapped bell down a few pegs. I guess this is the price we pay for having a Conservative government :S


Quake110

join:2003-12-20
Ottawa, ON
·Velcom


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reply to cacruden
Well, if Bell does succeeds to overturn the CRTC decision, the 3rd party ISPs will seriously need to look into a building some sort of consortium.

Even if it takes a long time to build, at the the end, they'll be free from Bell or Rogers' grip of power.

ftp1020

join:2007-01-30
Canada
·TekSavvy Solutions..

reply to jfmezei
JF, the answer is easy enough. Just like everyone would like to be able to set their own salary, corporations would like to be able to merely announce their own profitability. With competition out of the way, that ability becomes that much easier.

Under friendly governments, oligopolies can morph into duopolies, and then into a single monopoly. The only thing preventing a cable-telco merger is government regulation. The best (but failed) example I can think of was Time-Warner-Netscape-AOL. That ugly monster managed to combine content production with content delivery, and threw in the browser and WWW portal for good measure. And the closest thing to a Canadian version was CTV-Thomson-Sympatico...

yabos

join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON

reply to upchuck
said by upchuck :

This just proves Bell was, and is, out to harm the competition like teksavvy.
I agree. 3rd party ISPs are eating Bell's lunch and Rogers is in cohorts with them because everything Bell does Rogers does and everything Rogers does Bell does.

Riplin

join:2002-05-13
canada
reply to cacruden
I bet the 3rd party ISP's that thanked bell for the traffic shaping are kicking themselves in the ass now.


jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC
·ELECTRONICBOX

reply to koreyb
>I would hope Teksavvy and the other smaller ISPs, have a >backup plan...

The Gaudraults probably already have a large mansion in the Bahamas (or Wawa, whichever they prefer)

They'll leave a dozen bananas in their barn to keep the employees fed for a week or two and perhaps a couple of timbits coupons.

How many "Teksavvy"s are there that are based in smaller towns?

And even in Chatham, despite our jokes about barns and cows, Teksavvy may not be considered a very large employer. Wouldn't be surprised if Bell had more employees in Chatham, perhaps even local offices filled with paper pushing civil servants.

So from the pont of view of MPs, mayor and chamber of commerce, they might not have that much support in a fight against a government willing to give Bell all the freedom it wants.


eots

join:2003-02-04
reply to cacruden
Michael Geist is a lawyer who fully understands what's at stake, so why doesn't he start a class action suit against Bell? This latest action by Bell to eliminate competition is the final straw.


RobP

join:2008-03-30
Brantford, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..

said by eots See Profile :

Michael Geist is a lawyer who fully understands what's at stake, so why doesn't he start a class action suit against Bell? This latest action by Bell to eliminate competition is the final straw.
Remember what happened to the Deathstar when they started to throw their weight around? Slapped, AND broken down into many little pieces. Time for the Beaver hunt to begin :P


mattp2182

join:2007-11-07
London, ON
reply to eots
I sent Mr. Geist a email asking him what the feasibility of a class action against the telco giants would be. Ill let you guys know if/when i get a response.


An Onymous

@teksavvy.com

reply to eots
This is what's on CRTC's website:

March 3, 2008 CRTC announces new rules for
wholesale telecommunications services...

The Commission will maintain the requirement for telephone companies to provide interconnection services to competitors. Interconnection services allow competitors to access telecommunications networks in order that their customers may call individuals who have a different service provider. The Commission will also continue to mandate the provision of wholesale services used to provide services that are in the public interest, such as 911 and message relay services.

As part of this proceeding, the Commission revised its definition of an essential service. To be considered essential, a facility, function or service must:

* be required by competitors to provide a retail telecommunications service,
* be controlled by a company that could use its market power to lessen or prevent competition, and
* provide a functionality that would not be practical or feasible for competitors to duplicate.
...

Backgrounder on wholesale telecommunications services
Wholesale services
...
Categories of wholesale services
a) Interconnection
Interconnection services allow competitors to access telecommunications networks in order that their customers may call individuals who have a different service provider. Their provision will continue to be mandated.

These services permit interconnection between:

* local networks,
* local and long-distance networks, and
* wireless and wireline networks.
Note: Underlines are mine.

I think this new CRTC framework still applies to Bell Canada (vs TSI). They'll need someone higher up to stand up to CRTC.

justsometech

join:2003-05-08
h3h4h4
The only thing i am suprised about is that i havent heard about teksavvy filing motions to stop bell...

NiGHTS

join:2008-03-23

reply to cacruden
This government has been such a disappointment. This is not a government to protect Canadian rights.

Think about what they have done:
-Quebec nationhood
-Many Canadian companies were taken over by foreign companies
-MDA soon taken over
-Income Trust scandal
-Bad tax policy. Every economist said income tax cuts work better than GST cut
-Not for Net Neutrality

I am ashamed I voted Conservative. Imagine a majority. Never again.

NiGHTS

join:2008-03-23

reply to cacruden
Bell really wants the Independents to go out of business quickly. Their moves have been blatantly monopolistic and right in the face of authority. They want that monopoly as quick as possible. Bell must think this is the time to do it while we have a government that doesn't give a damn about Canadians rights.

I am so upset about the Jim Prentice question period. Wake up Jimbo, Bell does not own the Internet! Conservatives have to go.

»www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/···gy/home/

TobiasFunke
Premium
join:2007-02-27
Toronto, ON

reply to cacruden
said by cacruden See Profile :

»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008···ell.html
In its appeal, Bell said such regulation is no longer necessary now that there is enough competition in phone and internet markets. In home phones, Bell is competing with a number of major cable companies, not to mention Voice over Internet Protocol providers and cellphone carriers.
Wait, wait, wait... Sure, you can point to VOIP competition, but when you and your one competitor both have the means, inclination and incentive to degrade service for those VOIP competitors, how can you possibly make this argument with a straight face?

justsometech

join:2003-05-08
h3h4h4
reply to NiGHTS
»www.charlieangus.net/houseitem.p···c91a5df0

question period... in question

justsometech

join:2003-05-08
h3h4h4
I love prentices idea that we (as consumers) some how have a choice... that is the heart of the debate and problem, when Bell Canada interferes with other ISP's we HAVE NO CHOICE

InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Videotron

said by justsometech See Profile :

when Bell Canada interferes with other ISP's we HAVE NO CHOICE
You still do have a choice, it is just that all flavors of ADSL will end up tasting like chicken. When the whole point of going with non-Bell ADSL is to avoid Bell's caps and throttling, seeing network-wide throttling does undermine the idea.


Arbalister

join:2007-11-24
St Catharines, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..

said by InvalidError See Profile :

said by justsometech See Profile :

when Bell Canada interferes with other ISP's we HAVE NO CHOICE
You still do have a choice, it is just that all flavors of ADSL will end up tasting like chicken. When the whole point of going with non-Bell ADSL is to avoid Bell's caps and throttling, seeing network-wide throttling does undermine the idea.
No, if Bell somehow manages to win their appeal, you will have *no* choice. Cable or Bell. Period. Independant ISPs will be finished.

justsometech

join:2003-05-08
h3h4h4
·Bell Sympatico

reply to InvalidError
Aribalister says it well

I think a better chicken anology is that you have a choice of which chicken your going to get , but in the end its all chicken. If thats the choice that the minister of industry wants us, as canadians to have, then its a absolute shame


anonnotreally

@qc.ca
reply to cacruden
It's like Mulroney getting his hands caught in
the cookie jar, someone needs to catch some Telecom ministers with their hands held out too the big 3 in Canada's telecom industry.
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