iconfat
join:2005-04-06
Toronto
1 edit | reply to Guspaz
Re: Hands off our network, Bell tells CRTC
said by Guspaz  :Paul from Acanac actually came right out and said that their lawyer (who we know is being shared by the other ISPs since this is a joint action) told them to clam up. I'm not just speculating on this  In any type of litigation, whatever the party says can be used on record to hurt their case.
Its actually good to see that Teksavvy is staying mum on more than a few issues. We do have a real case here and the ISPs dont want to jeopardize their position. (Which I believe is a strong one) |
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cacruden
join:2008-03-18
Toronto, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to pegsys
said by pegsys :
They want deregulation?
Let's give'em what they want...
Full deregulation across the whole spectrum of
telecommunications....Broadband internet,satelitte internet
and television,cellphone etc...
Let the big boys come in from the US, Europe and Asia come play with them...And let the games begin.
Bell,Rogers and Videotron have been the big fish in a small
pond for way too long,let's see how fast they will cry uncle
against the big sharks our regulations have protected them
from for so long....
Well, I all for deregulating TV and letting Dish/DirectTV in to compete in Canada. Millions of Canadians have been harassed about pointing their dish at the wrong satellite. |
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jerrycan
join:2008-04-03
Kitchener, ON
·Velcom
| reply to cacruden
Interesting take by Bell on the matter. They best be careful as the out come might split Bell ala Ontario Hydro. One "Bell" that is responsible for hardwiring and "last mile" sorts of things, and another Bell for everything else. Traditionaly, when it was just one company, the losses it would take in resdential wiring would be made up on the backend with services. A new Bell, responsible for "last mile wiring" would deal with "Service" Bell and other Service providers (ISPs, phone COs, etc.) Bell statements about ignore the fact that NO-ONE could or would compete against them hard wiring, truck and manpower service. They're already established. This is why the CRTC's role in this is even more important. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | If they force the split of Bell, you can be certain that within a few years, its "Terminator" abilities will stir, remove the regulatory conditions of the split and then it will reassemble itself and we'll be right back where we started. |
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justsometech
join:2003-05-08
h3h4h4
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to cacruden
Well per WTO agreements, Canada should be a lot more open, not just on telecomm, but Banking and other industries, yet we continue to be so, for some good reason, others not so good.
And hey, if teksavvy is clamming up for legal reasons thats good, but still hiring a PR person to get a better version across to public/media would be nice as well |
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eots
join:2003-02-04 | Hiring a PR person to represent the position of the ISP's is an excellent idea. You don't see any of the Bell exec's speaking to the media. |
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pegasys
@teksavvy.com
| reply to Guspaz
And they should clam up.
Bell has already given them all the ammo
they need to fire back...
Any discussions on these boards dealing with their
strategies are being viewed by Bell trolls and they are reporting back to their masters.
Propositions on other threads in these forums on how to bypass the throttle and how to cripple Sympatico through exploits will also be used by their Legal Team to show how these independant ISPs are harboring hackers and pirates...
(We know it is not the case but they will argue it) |
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NiGHTS
join:2008-03-23
| reply to cacruden
Agreed, having a dedicated and skilled PR person who is truly educated on this subject is an excellent idea. Bell has an army of lobbyists and PR people who are masters at spin. PR is extremely important to your cause, and you don't want to spread yourself too thin. |
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jkajfes
join:2007-10-01
Pickering, ON
1 edit | reply to mattp2182
he's probably using a couple soup cans and string with one long and two short rings... why the heck would Princess I mean Prentice be worried about the net? |
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jkajfes
join:2007-10-01
Pickering, ON | reply to koreyb
gheeze let's try that with cable... I'll supply the pills to calm Ted down? |
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NiGHTS
join:2008-03-23 | reply to cacruden
With Net Neutrality legislation and with competition, all this goes away. |
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jkajfes
join:2007-10-01
Pickering, ON | reply to sMURF
we're way past "before"... |
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En Enfer
This account has been compromised
join:2003-07-25
Montreal, QC
·VIF Internet
| reply to Guspaz
said by Guspaz :said by En Enfer :90% of 3rd party ISPs probably said "fine with us" and it would have been difficult for Teksavvy to find partners in this battle. Sorry, not buying it. Primus, TekSavvy, eBox, and Acanac have all spoken out against this and vowed to fight it. Between those companies and their resellers, you probably have the vast majority of all customers of third party ISPs in Ontario/Quebec. There are others (Velcom, for example) that I haven't seen responses from, but suspect they are also opposing this in league with TekSavvy, eBox, and Acanac. I went to »www.canadianisp.com and I see like a hundred different ISPs listed there just for DSL service in big cities like TO and MTL at various prices (remember those other 3rd party ISPs at 35$-40$-45/month with ridiculously low monthly caps?). (And yes, a few of them are resellers)...
Anyways, it's not because they're not big names that their voice can't be heard. I know a few of them who are calling their customer exceeding 50Gb in a month, and throttling is a solution for them or a relieve concerning "abusing" customers...
Honestly, I think that if an ISP wants to throttle their clients (as their "business model"), they better off doing it by themselves, not by beavers. |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
1 edit | That list includes ISPs that:
1) Are very small
2) Are resellers of a larger ISP (Montreal-DSL resells TekSavvy).
Eliminate those from the list in those two categories, and then look at the biggest few, and I think you'll see that the ISPs that represent most of the customers are indeed working on this issue. |
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jkajfes
join:2007-10-01
Pickering, ON | reply to jerrycan
I'm waiting for the "debt retirement" charge to appear on my Bell and Rogers bills... ala... hydro bill... |
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En Enfer
This account has been compromised
join:2003-07-25
Montreal, QC
·VIF Internet
| reply to Guspaz
said by Guspaz :That list includes ISPs that: 1) Are very small 2) Are resellers of a larger ISP (Montreal-DSL resells TekSavvy). Eliminate those from the list in those two categories Let me remind you that all ISPs do start very small. I found my own notes when I was ISP shopping back in 2001. I wrote that Teksavvy was 30$ with a cap and was a reseller of "1st Access" which itself was 27$ + cap. Obviously, things changed or maybe I was in error back then...
My point being, with those facts, if Bell's stunt would happened 6 years ago, it's like saying "shut up Teksavvy, you're too small, you don't have enough users to give your opinion". I don't think it's fair.
In fact, 3rd party DSL providers need to unite forces somehow to face the beavers. |
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DarkStar33
join:2008-03-27
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Thats part of the overall problem, by preventing small companies from growing where is our next generation of corporations?
Microsoft, Google and Walmart and "foreign" car manufacturer all started off as small time operations.
Look at them today. They grew there business by innovation. They killed the same businesses that laughed at them at first. |
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derekm
join:2008-02-26
·TekSavvy Solutions..
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
| said by DarkStar33 :Microsoft, Google and Walmart and "foreign" car manufacturer all started off as small time operations. Look at them today. They grew there business by innovation. They killed the same businesses that laughed at them at first. Microsoft grew their business by years of illegal anti-competitive practices. Same as Bell.
They started off small, granted... But they are finishing big. |
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pegasys
@teksavvy.com
| reply to DarkStar33
said by DarkStar33 :Look at them today. They grew there business by innovation. They killed the same businesses that laughed at them at first. Then BCE could use a self-defense plea...LOL
Dinosaurs have no place in the new millenium anyway...
Where's my rifle?(figuratively) |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON
| reply to jfmezei
said by jfmezei :One must ask the question: What is **REALLY** going on at Bell ? I've been trying to ask that myself.
If anyone believes that this is to help manage the network, they have to get their heads examined.
You don't need to see the virus to know that you have a cold. The same applies here, this is simply punishment for those doing it better than bell.
On top of that I'm willing to bet the house that in the very near future sympatico users are going to see a P2P improvement in their service. |
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