qworster
join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA
 ·DSL EXTREME
·Brand X Internet
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·Vonage
| reply to Mike
Re: I told you guys before.....
said by Mike  :So TekSavvy should not pay for everything they bought. This means you're in favor for billing by byte? So let me get this straight:
I lease a Jaguar from you at FULL WHOLESALE PRICE. I turn around and lease it to the public for the same price you lease Ford Escorts to them for. Because of this, I get more business then you do...
So, that gives you the right to break into my garage and install a govenor on all my Jags so they won't go over 50 MPH?
NO FU%^&(G WAY!!! |
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TheMG
join:2007-09-04
Edmonton, AB
·TELUS
| reply to JasonD
said by JasonD :
Teksavvy may pay Bell Canada an access fee, but they shouldn't be allowed to flood Bell Canada's network thanks in part to underpriced bandwidth.
Underpriced bandwidth? Have you ever stopped to consider the thought that maybe other ISP's overage charges are OVERPRICED?
I don't know about you, but I don't consider anything more than $1/GB to be a "fair" price. |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to JasonD
said by JasonD :
Teksavvy may pay Bell Canada an access fee, but they shouldn't be allowed to flood Bell Canada's network thanks in part to underpriced bandwidth. Wow, someone left the door to the peanut gallery open tonight.
Teksavvy doesn't use Bell's network for bandwidth. End of story. Bell only provides the copper to the subscriber and the ATM/GigE cloud between the DSLAM and Teksavvy's POP. Teksavvy buys Internet transport from Peer1, Teleglobe, Cogent and a few others.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to JasonD
I suggest you check into what you are talking about. It's TekSavvy's network. All Bell provides is the last mile connection and routing to TekSavvy. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to JasonD
TekSavvy pays approx $21 a month for each and every user to Bell, plus they buy all their own bandwidth.
They are not abusing anything, other then maybe "abusing" the competition's right to GOUGE. |
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XoX
join:2003-08-19
Sherbrooke, QC
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to JasonD
said by JasonD :
There was no way that Teksavvy was going to last offering excess bandwidth for a mere 10 cents a gig. That amounts to at least enabling abuse of what ultimately is Bell Canada's network.
While I don't necessarily agree with Bell Canada's position of there being 'plenty of competition', but do understand their desire to rid themselves of government regulation.
Bell Network??? That network was built with tax payer money and exclusive right to use by Bell for almost 100 years. Look at telephone revolution history. When all that started. Thousand of Business existed all providing phone service but trough Bell deal and manipulation (government) only a few one survived and Bell became and unregulated monopoly.
a little bit of phone history reported in by the www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com
Here just in case you don't want to go read the whole thing :"By 1915, there were over 1500 telephone companies in Canada, either competing with Bell or extending service to areas not yet reached by the telephone. Instead of adopting a regulatory system, government ownership of the telephone system was established in Manitoba (Manitoba Telephone Service) in 1908, Saskatchewan (SaskTel) in 1909 and Alberta (Alberta Government Telephones) in 1906. Despite the success of competitive telephony, actions by Bell and several regulatory decisions between 1912 and 1916 led to the disappearance of competition. From this period until approximately 1985, telephone service in Canada developed as a natural monopoly.".
»www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/···A0007901 |
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URTrolling
@telus.net
| reply to JasonD
said by JasonD :
Teksavvy may pay Bell Canada an access fee, but they shouldn't be allowed to flood Bell Canada's network thanks in part to underpriced bandwidth.
Well, that's a nice attempt at a diversionary "straw man" argument, but it holds no water. It appears that you simply pulled the phrase "flood Bell Canada's network" out of the air with no evidence to support it.
Secondly, contract law and regulatory rulings have little empathy for phrases like "shouldn't", specifically because they are subjective terms.
Lastly, your own emotional response (i.e., your second sentence), it is irrelevant to the discussion.
By the way - a friendly suggestion: one should be very careful that what one writes (even in forums like this), couldn't be construed as libelous  |
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Mike
Premium,Mod
join:2000-09-17
Pittsburgh, PA
clubs:   | reply to JasonD
So TekSavvy should not pay for everything they bought.
This means you're in favor for billing by byte? |
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JasonD
@comcast.net
| reply to URTrolling
Here's my response: allowing unfettered (until now) 1TB transfer = a mere $100 in bandwidth charges.
Teksavvy may pay Bell Canada an access fee, but they shouldn't be allowed to flood Bell Canada's network thanks in part to underpriced bandwidth. |
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nebular
join:2007-07-12
Peterborough, ON
| reply to JasonD
The problem here is that Bell was required to offer the service by law and was guaranteed a decent profit. If Bell couldn't handle the network load then they should have either upgraded their infrastructure or revealed to the CRTC that they can't handle the possibility of unregulated traffic on their grid |
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URTrolling
@telus.net
| reply to JasonD
said by JasonD :
There was no way that Teksavvy was going to last offering excess bandwidth for a mere 10 cents a gig. That amounts to at least enabling abuse of what ultimately is Bell Canada's network.
While I don't necessarily agree with Bell Canada's position of there being 'plenty of competition', but do understand their desire to rid themselves of government regulation.
Please advise what part of paying pre-defined service price for a pre-defined service constitutes abuse. I shall be fascinated to hear you answer. |
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tranceduden
join:2007-05-16
Mississauga, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to JasonD
said by JasonD :
There was no way that Teksavvy was going to last offering excess bandwidth for a mere 10 cents a gig. That amounts to at least enabling abuse of what ultimately is Bell Canada's network.
ABUSE ? You're kidding right ? TSI paid all their fees to bell and pay per user fee on top of that for certain amount on B/W. Now Bell is saying sure you can have the b/w but only @ 10% of the speed you have purchased. |
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Bellsucks
@aliant.net | reply to JasonD
As far as I know Teksavvy doesn't buy bandwidth from Bell. They buy bandwidth from another source such as Peer 1 and use Bell's backbone to transport the bandwidth. |
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Mike
Premium,Mod
join:2000-09-17
Pittsburgh, PA
clubs: | reply to JasonD
When TekSavvy bought bandwidth, I'm pretty sure they bought all of it. That would suck if you bought 100% of a product and could use only 40%. |
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JasonD
@comcast.net
| There was no way that Teksavvy was going to last offering excess bandwidth for a mere 10 cents a gig. That amounts to at least enabling abuse of what ultimately is Bell Canada's network.
While I don't necessarily agree with Bell Canada's position of there being 'plenty of competition', but do understand their desire to rid themselves of government regulation. |
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