Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE in TekSavvy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20276408 en Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:59:02 EDT Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:59:02 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20281777 drjp81 :
said by cacruden See Profile :

I had a 300 baud home built acoustic coupler modem....
Ah yes. Same here, made a wardialer. Got a few people that had call display give me hell because I rang them up at 4 in the morning. :D
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Cheers!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20281777 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:36:41 EDT Re: For Old Time's Sake http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20280430 mazhurg : My my.. memories there... and PL1, CLI SAS, RACF, DB1 and others...

Mermories... :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20280430 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:02:55 EDT Re: For Old Time's Sake http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20280426 cacruden : Yes, but luckily never really had to use it outside of a job I had when going to school.

Have you ever heard of cards, card punch, etc. :p

I had a volunteer (i.e. non-paid) job working in a datacentre when I was 14 years old. I dropped a program -- which did not have line numbers on it.... The programmer was not impressed that he had to figure out which lines of code went where (in the deck of cards. They had a card punch machine, a card reader, and a teletype (I think it was teletype) machine to communicate with main operations centre where the computer was actually located (nearby city). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20280426 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:02:09 EDT For Old Time's Sake http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20280410 vintagewino : As I finished posting the last post, something came up on the screen that was a real blast from the past. Anyone ever hear of JCL (Job Control Language)?

This is from when we played with rectangular cards.

/*JOBPARM TIM=30,LIN=10
/*ACCOUNT=81503000,CLASS=B
/*SYSIN DD *
/*
//

Just for us older farts from the Gestetner age. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20280410 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:54:57 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20280377 cacruden : I had a 300 baud home built acoustic coupler modem....

I ran up a $200 long distance phone bill one month (and that was 20+ years ago) -- my parents were not impressed :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20280377 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:36:17 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20280353 vintagewino : "Meanwhile our industry minister will continue to play pong and marvel at the advancement MS-DOS 6.2 brings."

He wants to put us all at MS-DOS 3.2, with a 300 baud modem. :huh:

"Gestetner age" ? Uh-oh, a thousand pardons. I'm WAY in the future. We're talking ASR-33 teletypes at 75 baud. :D

Tiny update:
Well, it took 4 days, but I did get an e-mail back from my Conservative MP, Dean Allison, via his assistant, c/w a tardiness apology. I am supposed to get a reply back from Jim Prentice's office, cc my MP. We'll see what that form letter looks like.

Direct quotes from Allison's reply:
" That might take some time, but be assured they are very aware of the situation and are obviously hearing from many disgruntled internet users such as yourself."

"I am hopeful that there will be a favourable ending to this issue." ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20280353 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:22:55 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20280218 Arbalister :
said by Pocky See Profile :

For those of you who wrote great letters such as the Merge Internet. I think it would better to print it out and mail it to him by snail mail. Snail mail has more of impact. Besides its postage-free to mail to MP's

Address it to:

Angus, Charlie
House of Commons
Parliament Buildings
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada
K1A 0A6
I generally do, btw - I email them, and follow it up with a printed version. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20280218 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:31:48 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20280117 Pocky : For those of you who wrote great letters such as the Merge Internet. I think it would better to print it out and mail it to him by snail mail. Snail mail has more of impact. Besides its postage-free to mail to MP's

Address it to:

Angus, Charlie
House of Commons
Parliament Buildings
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada
K1A 0A6]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20280117 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:07:23 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279917 adisor19 : Looks like the NDP is the only party giving a crap about this and the consumer rights in general. Strange as the Bloc Quebecois is also quite socially oriented, yet NOTHING came out from them. Guess i know where my next vote will go !

Adi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20279917 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:26:20 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20277775 Jean_22 : Just send him an e-mail too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20277775 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:26:18 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20277592 militiamen : God Bless Charlie Angus.

[ Throttling just slapped me in the face a day ago. What a shame ]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20277592 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:54:07 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20276577 Arbalister :
said by backness See Profile :

angus.c@parl.gc.ca

i just sent him an email thanking him for his work
I did more. I explained how the ministers condescending "for your information" made him look like an ignorant ass.

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Mr Angus,

For the last 12 years, I've managed an independant ISP. Long before Bell got into the ISP business. Back then we had no choice but to buy essential services from Bell. In real effect, we financed their move into our market.

Today, in many cases, we have alternatives to many services that Bell Provides. The one that we do not have, is in last mile connectivity between ourselves and our end users. Whether it be dialup internet, or highspeed internet, the only way we have to get it to homes and businesses is via wire owned by either Bell or the local cableco - and the latter is prohibitively expensive, most independants can't afford to pursue it.

I personally pay Telus for my dialup last mile connections. And they sell me access to lines they buy from Bell. For highspeed, I use a 3rd party ISP - Teksavvy - via a reseller arrangement. They buy lastmile from Bell, and internet connectivity from several sources, including Peer1 and Cogent. The file attached is an illustration of that - replace the word "Easystreet" with "Teksavvy." Teksavvy purchases everything above and to the left of their position on the diagram, from Bell, and it's all regulated, CRTC tariffed (CRTC 2008-17) service. The portion marked "telephone line" is the segment of this network that determines the consumers DSL speed, along with a service profile set on the "dslam" unit. Currently it tops out at about 6 MB/s. Only Bell has control of those settings - the ISP can request the profile be altered to stabilize the connection, but it's a Bell service technician that performs the changes.

Bells current throttling of service is occuring on one of 2 segments of this diagram, either before, or behind the Dslam. We don't know for certain which. But it is *not* internet traffic being affected, it's the core backhaul network. The bandwidth leased by the ISP from Bell. CRTC Regulated services.

As shown in the letter to the minister below, Bells own stockholder report for this year states that they don't expect to be able to cover the cost of upgrading the core network from their customers. And that they *expect* loss of business if they institute "traffic shaping" (throttling) for their own users. So. instead of spending the cash to upgrade facilities, they've purchased 3rd party systems (and stock in the company that provides it) to deliberately sabotage the flow of information through their internal network. And they've applied the same limitations on the people that compete with them - the independant ISPs.

Now, yesterday, they've applied to file an appeal of CRTC 2008-17, to try to get out of the requirement to sell this service to the Independant ISPs on the grounds that there is sufficient competition. If they win, there won't be *any* competition in the DSL market, in Bell's territory. Your choice will be Bell or the Cableco. In fact, it will also allow them to stop reselling to CLECs. No more local phone service competition, either.

Having watched your exchange with Minister Prentice on the Net Neutrality issue, I wanted to hand you a bit more information. I've attached a note I sent to the Minister last night.

In response to your question the Minister replied that "For your information ... we do not regulate the internet" and "the matter is between the ISP's and the Consumer."

He's wrong on both counts, and should probably ask for some research on what the current throttling problem *really* is.

First off, the latter comment that it's between the ISP and the Consumer. The consumer is nothing more then a victim of collateral damage in this issue. The real victims are all the independant ISPs whose businesses have been hurt for years by Bell's move from a supplier to a direct competitor. They should never have been allowed into the ISP marketplace in the first place - we insisted bak then that *today* would eventually be the result.

Secondly, as shown above, its not "internet" that's being throttled. It's core telecommunication services, mandated, regulated, and tariffed by the CRTC. For the Ministers information. By the way - he could have looked that up...on the internet.

Thank you,

Chris Hanlon,
Manager,
Merge Internet,
St. Catharines, ON]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20276577 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:42:22 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20276569 Radar73 :
said by sbrook See Profile :

We have no such entity status as "common carrier" in Canada, although courts have provided for telephone and internet providers to operate in a manner comparable to the US "common carrier" regulation.
I picked up the term common carrier from this forum somewhere, but the point is still made.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20276569 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:40:38 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20276418 sbrook : We have no such entity status as "common carrier" in Canada, although courts have provided for telephone and internet providers to operate in a manner comparable to the US "common carrier" regulation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20276418 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:16:42 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20276410 Cliffy : I too sent a note of thanks for his support of this issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20276410 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:13:39 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20276408 Radar73 : I just wrote Mr. Prentice and my MP (again) ...

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Mr. Prentice,

I saw coverage of your recent comments in the House regarding Bell's monopoly and interference with network traffic, the result of which is a controlled and degraded Canadian Internet.

You comment "We have a well advanced Internet system in this country. It is not publicly regulated. At this point in time we will continue to leave the matter between consumers on the one hand and Internet service providers on the other." is totally off the mark and demonstrates your unfamiliarity of the issues at hand.

This is an issue between the Common Carrier (Bell Nexxia) and independent ISPs. The consumers you mention are the people who have to suffer with a controlled, some would say censored, access to information not by their ISP, but by a Governement regulated monopoly. The relationship between the Common Carrier and ISPs is regulated by the CRTC, and recently classified as an essential service by the CRTC. An essential service that is now being interfered with by the Common Carrier, demonstrating anti-competitive business practices by having their monopolistic policies thrust upon independent ISPs. This impedes the ability of the independent ISPs to conduct business with their constomers in a manner that fits their own business policies.

The policies of independent ISPs I speak of are specifically unhindered and open access to the internet, by all applications for all lawful uses. The ISPs are unable to deliver on promises made to their customers because of Bells direct efforts to interfere with traffic and manage what the end consumers can and can't use their internet connection for.

How can you leave this as a matter between consumers and their ISP when in reality it's a matter between the ISP and Bell, the Commom Carrier? -- a matter that is regulated by the Government, and labelled an essential service by the Government!

Government involvement is required now. The internet was intended to be a free and open domain and it should be returned to it's former glory.

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"Mr. Speaker, I think virtually all members of the House could agree that if anyone inhabits the Gestetner age, it is the New Democratic Party. Members of that party would carry our country into the economic backwater that they propose."


"We have a well advanced Internet system in this country. It is not publicly regulated. At this point in time we will continue to leave the matter between consumers on the one hand and Internet service providers on the other."

Mr Prentice, this is not simply a matter between consumers and Internet Service Providers... THIS IS A MATTER BETWEEN THE CARRIER AND THE THIRD PARTY ISPs ... who are presently unable to honnour their service commitments to their customers. Also, please educate yourself on the meaning of net neutrality before pronouncing yourself as an idiot on public television.

Regards,
CK ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275833 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:19:39 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275740 cacruden : I just thanked him and included my email to Jim Prentice, and UNLIKE Mr. Prentice's office - I actually got a response from him.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275740 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:02:50 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275547 anon : Just thanked him :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275547 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:29:14 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275529 derekm :
said by Charlie4PM :

meanwhile our industry minister will continue to play pong and marvel at the advancement MS-DOS 6.2 brings. :uhh:
... or windows vista... but's that's another matter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275529 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:26:12 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275420 backness : angus.c@parl.gc.ca

i just sent him an email thanking him for his work]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275420 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:02:39 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275360 anon : A little birdie told me Charlie Angus is going to get more involved. Should be fun to watch in the next little while as he paints our industry minister as a clown he is. ;)

If you guys find Charlie Angus' Email addy. It may be worth it for you to drop him a note of encouragement to continue the fight on behalf of all Canadians on parliment floor.

meanwhile our industry minister will continue to play pong and marvel at the advancement MS-DOS 6.2 brings. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275360 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:48:06 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275340 anon : Prentice*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275340 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:43:30 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275333 anon : FINALLY! some action

Jim Prince is a retard. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275333 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:42:14 EDT Re: Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275077 anon : Charlie Angus slams Bell over traffic ‘throttling’
»www.p2pnet.net/story/15479

NDP spokesman Charlie Angus says, “Consumers who have paid for access are being ripped off. Badly needed competition is being stifled and most of all, this government is sitting back while a few Telecom giants are given free reign monkey wrench with the flow of ideas,”

Nor are consumers alone in being ripped off.

Bell is also targeting wholesalers and trying to force their costs up in order to rip us off more EVEN if we don’t use Bell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20275077 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:52:20 EDT Charlie Angus, an Honourable man. VIDEO OF GOVERNMENT DEBATE http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20274546 cms : »charlieangus.net/houseitem.php?id=82

From Wednesday's Question Period in the House of Commons. Jim Prentice, Minister of Industry either does not grasp the gravity of the situation or simply refuses to take responsibility.

This paralysis with which our government and regulatory bodies are affected is beyond the pale. I had the chance to speak with Charlie and he actually has a clue about what he speaks. Imagine that, a politician who understands a technical issue before it turns into a disaster.

One can only hope and pray for more like him.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20274546 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:24:00 EDT