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Noah Vail
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join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
·RoadRunner Cable

Ready for it today.

Worst possible Verizon signal in my home. Weak enough to prevent a call, strong enough to prevent roaming.

Wonder if this sucker would work with EVDO? Of course I would want to use my EVDO at home only if my existing broadband connection were out......

NV


ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
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If you cannot get a cell signal, how would get EVDO in case your broadband went out??

RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11
reply to Noah Vail
Unfortunately, this uses your home broadband connection so it's rather useless as a backup.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
reply to Noah Vail
I'd consider testing it out and maybe dumping my landline if it really worked well.


KA3SGM
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join:2006-01-17
West Chester, PA
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·Cricket Broadband
·Verizon FIOS

reply to RadioDoc
said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Unfortunately, this uses your home broadband connection so it's rather useless as a backup.
What if my home broadband connection is via Verizon Fios??

If I keep the Fios ONT and router connected to a UPS, maybe their excellent Fiber Optic Internet service can make up for their lousy cellular coverage.

They should be paying me to sign up for that service, it would cut down on my calls to VZW tech support.
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jgkolt
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join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
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reply to Noah Vail
I left Verizon due to not having signal at my new home. I worked with them for 2 months after I got so fed up i decided to switch(which they probably wanted since they couldn't deliver). Normally I am very happy with their service but after 4 no call backs after they said they would call they really hurt their image in my mind.

Right now i decided to switch to tmobile and i can go on ANY wifi signal and get unlimited calling for EVERYONE on the family plan. I like tmobile and verizon but TMOB wins this one.
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ropeguru
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Bridgeport, WV
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reply to KA3SGM
said by KA3SGM See Profile :

They should be paying me to sign up for that service, it would cut down on my calls to VZW tech support.
They should be paying us anyway to use the service. Espicially since it will take a load off THEIR cell towers AND we are paying for the electricity to run in and the broadband connection for the data to traverse.

RadioDoc
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reply to KA3SGM
It is supposed to work with any broadband connection. That's an interesting idea though...but you'd still have to have a VZ cell plan in addition to whatever they'll charge for the privilege of not using their cellular network while at home.

T-Mobile is doing theirs a little differently where the phone itself switches modes to WiFi. This is basically a base station for your normal cell phone connected to broadband by Ethernet, mimicking a real cell site. I wonder what happens when a bunch of these are in close proximity like a high-density MDU scenario...
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jgkolt
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Lakewood, OH
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the highest density i have seen is 2 of these phones on my wireless router. works fine. ha

The benefit of wifi is you could be in Europe and call locally as if you were in the states. Not that I do that but an advantage.
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Noah Vail
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Lorton, VA
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reply to ropeguru
(Mostly) Ready for it today.

said by Noah Vail See Profile :

Of course I would want to use my EVDO at home only if my existing broadband connection were out......
NV
I guess after the ellipses I should have inserted [rimshot] or [WAIT_FOR_IT].

I'll try to be clearer in my next posting.

NV

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RadioDoc
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reply to jgkolt
Re: Ready for it today.

That would be the T-Mobile type. This is different and each would have a 'base station' of sorts in the form of a femtocell. They aren't WiFi.
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EPS

join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA

reply to jgkolt
Well it could be a technology issue- T-Mobile's WiFi technology uses UMA as its main standard, which is based around transferring calls easily from VoIP over WiFi to GSM- there may not be a CDMA equivalent for Verizon to use. (The dilemma of CDMA- better technology for voice calls alone, worse in everything else)


KA3SGM
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West Chester, PA
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·Verizon FIOS

said by EPS See Profile :

Well it could be a technology issue- T-Mobile's WiFi technology uses UMA as its main standard, which is based around transferring calls easily from VoIP over WiFi to GSM- there may not be a CDMA equivalent for Verizon to use. (The dilemma of CDMA- better technology for voice calls alone, worse in everything else)
Only issue I could see is that CDMA requires each Cell Site to have GPS Synchronization with the other connecting cell sites.

Will I now need to hang a GPS antenna on my roof to experience a seamless handoff between the surrounding Macro Cells and a Femtocell in my house??
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tc1uscg

join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI

reply to ropeguru
said by ropeguru See Profile :

If you cannot get a cell signal, how would get EVDO in case your broadband went out??
You can't. Just like if you VoIP or cable telephone. If the cable is out, your SOL.

patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

reply to ropeguru
Only phones whose numbers are in it can use it. There is a limit to how many numbers you can put in it, the max is 5 usually but it can be less. Other customers would be pissed if their call drops or they suddenly get insane latency because their phone switched to your overloaded (5,10,30 users, or more) femtocell which is fighting for upload traffic/upload speed from a "no limits set in the app" p2p program running on your broadband connection. If it was meant to provide service to everyone, Verizon Wireless would put it on a dedicated T1 or a couple bonded T1s (you dont get to piggy back onto them, they don't have TCPIP traffic going over them (except as encrypted/spread spectrumed EVDO traffic from other users)) that they pay for.

patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

reply to KA3SGM
Probably not. Handoffs work by your phone reporting the signal strength to the switch, the switch then sets up the "destination" tower then tells your phone to listen to it. If your phone number isn't allowed for that femotocell your phone will never be told to switch to it, and if it runs out of signal, well, dropped call.

Im not sure how necessary the GPS on the tower is. Its not need for E911, the "tower" only goes 100 feet at most, and the need to use GPS to figure where the phone is, is useless. Also the first CDMA phones didn't have GPS. Whether towers need to sync with each other through GPS to reduce interference with each other (remember they all talk "on top" of each other using unique masks/patterns), I dont know.
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