http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20275377 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:20:50 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:20:50 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20280513 said by Mike:

So TekSavvy should not pay for everything they bought.

This means you're in favor for billing by byte?
So let me get this straight:

I lease a Jaguar from you at FULL WHOLESALE PRICE. I turn around and lease it to the public for the same price you lease Ford Escorts to them for. Because of this, I get more business then you do...

So, that gives you the right to break into my garage and install a govenor on all my Jags so they won't go over 50 MPH?

NO FU%^&(G WAY!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20280513 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:56:40 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20280328 said by JasonD :

Teksavvy may pay Bell Canada an access fee, but they shouldn't be allowed to flood Bell Canada's network thanks in part to underpriced bandwidth.
Underpriced bandwidth? Have you ever stopped to consider the thought that maybe other ISP's overage charges are OVERPRICED?

I don't know about you, but I don't consider anything more than $1/GB to be a "fair" price.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20280328 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:12:02 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20279000 said by JasonD :

Teksavvy may pay Bell Canada an access fee, but they shouldn't be allowed to flood Bell Canada's network thanks in part to underpriced bandwidth.Wow, someone left the door to the peanut gallery open tonight.

Teksavvy doesn't use Bell's network for bandwidth. End of story. Bell only provides the copper to the subscriber and the ATM/GigE cloud between the DSLAM and Teksavvy's POP. Teksavvy buys Internet transport from Peer1, Teleglobe, Cogent and a few others.
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They are not abusing anything, other then maybe "abusing" the competition's right to GOUGE.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20278072 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:20:40 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20276688 said by JasonD :

There was no way that Teksavvy was going to last offering excess bandwidth for a mere 10 cents a gig. That amounts to at least enabling abuse of what ultimately is Bell Canada's network.

While I don't necessarily agree with Bell Canada's position of there being 'plenty of competition', but do understand their desire to rid themselves of government regulation.
Bell Network??? That network was built with tax payer money and exclusive right to use by Bell for almost 100 years. Look at telephone revolution history. When all that started. Thousand of Business existed all providing phone service but trough Bell deal and manipulation (government) only a few one survived and Bell became and unregulated monopoly.

a little bit of phone history reported in by the www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com

Here just in case you don't want to go read the whole thing :"By 1915, there were over 1500 telephone companies in Canada, either competing with Bell or extending service to areas not yet reached by the telephone. Instead of adopting a regulatory system, government ownership of the telephone system was established in Manitoba (Manitoba Telephone Service) in 1908, Saskatchewan (SaskTel) in 1909 and Alberta (Alberta Government Telephones) in 1906. Despite the success of competitive telephony, actions by Bell and several regulatory decisions between 1912 and 1916 led to the disappearance of competition. From this period until approximately 1985, telephone service in Canada developed as a natural monopoly.".

»www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/···A0007901]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20276688 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:01:31 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20276560 said by JasonD :

Teksavvy may pay Bell Canada an access fee, but they shouldn't be allowed to flood Bell Canada's network thanks in part to underpriced bandwidth.
Well, that's a nice attempt at a diversionary "straw man" argument, but it holds no water. It appears that you simply pulled the phrase "flood Bell Canada's network" out of the air with no evidence to support it.

Secondly, contract law and regulatory rulings have little empathy for phrases like "shouldn't", specifically because they are subjective terms.

Lastly, your own emotional response (i.e., your second sentence), it is irrelevant to the discussion.

By the way - a friendly suggestion: one should be very careful that what one writes (even in forums like this), couldn't be construed as libelous ;-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20276560 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:40:03 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20276361
This means you're in favor for billing by byte?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20276361 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:04:13 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20276133
Teksavvy may pay Bell Canada an access fee, but they shouldn't be allowed to flood Bell Canada's network thanks in part to underpriced bandwidth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20276133 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:20:46 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20275855 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20275855 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:23:55 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20275703 said by JasonD :

There was no way that Teksavvy was going to last offering excess bandwidth for a mere 10 cents a gig. That amounts to at least enabling abuse of what ultimately is Bell Canada's network.

While I don't necessarily agree with Bell Canada's position of there being 'plenty of competition', but do understand their desire to rid themselves of government regulation.
Please advise what part of paying pre-defined service price for a pre-defined service constitutes abuse. I shall be fascinated to hear you answer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20275703 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:57:42 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20275635 said by JasonD :

There was no way that Teksavvy was going to last offering excess bandwidth for a mere 10 cents a gig. That amounts to at least enabling abuse of what ultimately is Bell Canada's network.

ABUSE ? You're kidding right ? TSI paid all their fees to bell and pay per user fee on top of that for certain amount on B/W. Now Bell is saying sure you can have the b/w but only @ 10% of the speed you have purchased.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20275635 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:42:40 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20275497 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20275497 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:22:53 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20275457 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-told-you-guys-before-20275457 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:11:46 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/I-told-you-guys-before-20275377
While I don't necessarily agree with Bell Canada's position of there being 'plenty of competition', but do understand their desire to rid themselves of government regulation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/I-told-you-guys-before-20275377 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:51:24 EDT