Re: MPEG4 will solve this in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20281854 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:32:23 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:32:23 EDT Re: MPEG4 will solve this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20289703 Alphy : I've seen you harass people in multiple threads now. Maybe I'm not taking a big enough sample size, but do you always do this?

Right or wrong, you're approach is really, really confrontational.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20289703 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:13:38 EDT Re: MPEG4 will solve this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20283660 openbox9 : I wasn't around yesterday, but thank you for your concern. I've got plenty of material, but I think we've accomplished as much as we're going to be able to, so I'll say have a nice weekend to you as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20283660 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:06:02 EDT Re: MPEG4 will solve this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20283583 RadioDoc : Where were you yesterday when I was talking about this re: Comcast? Please keep up.

Since you've run out of material I'll just say enjoy your weekend.
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said by RadioDoc See Profile :

I appear to be a post ahead of you, so while you go back and catch up I'll just reiterate what I said before...'done correctly' is rare. Very rare.
Considering you had to post three times before you finally acknowledged that it's possible, I'd say you're behind a little. But hey, who's counting right? I' won't even reiterate what I said and let you figure it out for yourself.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20283541 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:41:00 EDT Re: MPEG4 will solve this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20283512 RadioDoc : I appear to be a post ahead of you, so while you go back and catch up I'll just reiterate what I said before...'done correctly' is rare. Very rare.
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said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Your example of SD up-converted to HD as being HD is what is irrelevant. Having trouble following along?
I'm following along nicely, although I was questioning whether you were or not.
said by RadioDoc See Profile :

You can fit three proper HD streams into one QAM256 channel if you are very careful, don't have high-motion or complex video on any of them, and make sure that your statistical multiplexing and rate shaping are adjusted for minimum damage to picture quality.
Thank you for finally confirming what I suggested. Placing more than two streams of some content in a single QAM channel is possible if done correctly. Now the second part of that is recognizing that it isn't a big deal if it is done correctly. You're almost there, just a little further now ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20283489 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:31:43 EDT Re: MPEG4 will solve this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20282871 RadioDoc : Your example of SD up-converted to HD as being HD is what is irrelevant. Having trouble following along?

You can fit three proper HD streams into one QAM256 channel if you are very careful, don't have high-motion or complex video on any of them, and make sure that your statistical multiplexing and rate shaping are adjusted for minimum damage to picture quality. But, just because it is possible to do properly doesn't mean it's done properly, and in the case of one Enlightened operator, "done properly" isn't in their vocabulary or operations manual.
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said by RadioDoc See Profile :

I certainly didn't miss the point. You brought up something irrelevant.
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You might also want to look up how this is done.
It most certainly is relevant and I'm fairly comfortable with how it is done. I'm waiting for you to say why more than two of some "HD" channels can't comfortably fit in a single QAM channel.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20282665 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:05:46 EDT Re: MPEG4 will solve this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20282579 Sammer :
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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

Who do they think there fooling selling HD in SD resolution.
SD is packing 8 to 10 channels in 6Mhz. HD has 2 or 3 channels in 6Mhz. So, NO they are not selling HD with SD resolution.
3 channels in 256 QAM MPEG-2 is at best ED. "fat-o-vision" eats up more than its share of precious bits too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20282579 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:52:19 EDT Re: MPEG4 will solve this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20282467 RadioDoc : I certainly didn't miss the point. You brought up something irrelevant. If TNT is running SD programming as HD, then it really isn't HD, is it?

You might also want to look up how this is done.
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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

I think Dish/Direc should capitalize on this.
Currently not legally available in Canada :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20282292 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:07:52 EDT Re: MPEG4 will solve this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20282109 openbox9 :
said by RadioDoc See Profile :

There is no "smart" way to do it and call it HD. Sorry.
You totally missed the point. If content providers such as TNT distribute their "HD" streams at low bitrates, why can't cablecos take advantage of that and throw three streams into a single QAM channel? Limit channels that actually distribute at 19.4 Mbps to two per QAM channel. No blood, no foul.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20282109 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:30:00 EDT Re: MPEG4 will solve this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20282079 openbox9 : I was mainly referring to channels such as "TNT HD". Cropped and stretched content is not necessarily HD, but the providers will broadcast it as such because the content distributors say it is. I wouldn't call 720p HD-lite either. I'll take quality 720p over 1080i any time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20282079 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:25:35 EDT Re: MPEG4 will solve this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20282005 RadioDoc : My wife calls it "fat-o-vision". Yes it is a very big deal, and is very much not high definition.

One form of "HD Lite" is the practice of squeezing a 16:9, 1920x1080 picture into a 1280x1080 box, transmitting it at the lower bitrate, and then expanding it at the receiver having lost at least 33% of the horizontal picture information in the process. My HDTV actually has a function for that built-in to record one tuner to a standard def 4:3 recorder while preserving the aspect ratio. Of course the result is not HD, but it isn't supposed to be and we don't use that function.

There is no "smart" way to do it and call it HD. Sorry.
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said by en102 See Profile :

a) The source is HD (i.e. was generated at 1920x1080)
Tell the content providers that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20281968 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:06:03 EDT Re: MPEG4 will solve this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20281956 openbox9 : Is it really that big of a deal with some channels that are stretching the hell out of SD content and calling it HD? I guess I don't see the problem with cablecos doing this if it's done smartly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20281956 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:05:14 EDT Re: MPEG4 will solve this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20281952 en102 : Exactly... just because the display resolution = 1920x1080, it shouldn't be called HD, unless

a) The source is HD (i.e. was generated at 1920x1080)
b) The quality of the picture hasn't been degraded to appear as if it was SD.

Sure, I can take a 480i image on my PC and put it to full screen (1600x1200), but the image isn't going to look all that great.
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Unfortunately, the definition of HD is very slippery and the marketing weasels have taken full advantage of that to sell decidedly inferior product.
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said by GlenQuagmire See Profile :

That and they could start moving the analog channels to digital.
That process is well along the way in most areas. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20281765 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:33:55 EDT Re: MPEG4 will solve this http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20281757 OverModded :
said by DaveNJ See Profile :

Who do they think there fooling selling HD in SD resolution.
SD is packing 8 to 10 channels in 6Mhz. HD has 2 or 3 channels in 6Mhz. So, NO they are not selling HD with SD resolution.
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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

I think Dish/Direc should capitalize on this.
They are. Both are implementing MPEG4 and expanding transponder space. Why do you think Comcast (for example) is using so much marketing sleight-of-hand trying to sound like they have more HD channels when in reality they are behind and getting behinder.

DirecTV was spanked by their customers for pulling this same crap a couple of years ago. You'd think that the cablecos would know better. Of course, these are the same cablecos whose installers have been known to "install" HD boxes using S-video and call it a day.
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Until MPEG4 is implemented, the MSOs should shut their HD marketing yaps and quit selling a product they do not have.
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»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4

MPEG4 is coming:
»When Will Cable Embrace MPEG-4?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20281596 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:03:48 EDT