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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/326902"><b>james1</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Mchart <A HREF="/useremail/u/936980"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I'd consider DISN to be critical.<br> </div>I wouldn't. I'd consider the strategic nuclear silos, ICBM detection system or Predator Drone piloting system to be critical systems.<br>Oh no! DISN is down? Now we have to pick up a phone and do stuff the old fashioned way! Inconvenient? Sure. Critical? No.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/738410"><b>Boogeyman</b></A> : Um, thats not a critical system. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:01:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1108984"><b>longstreet</b></A> : Don't avoid my question.<br><br>The news article is embellished.<br><br>Military web servers exposed to the world are not [critical] however, apparently, news.com columnists, being the internet security experts on government systems, seem to think so.<br><br>So, the news article is a poor qualifier for critical systems.<br><br>It's the same old sensationalist reporting.<br><br>The real truth is, classified systems are on a different, secured network completely separate from the public internet.  How lowly are you?  Just out of AIT?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:58:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/936980"><b>Mchart</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  longstreet <A HREF="/useremail/u/1108984"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Mchart <A HREF="/useremail/u/936980"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  longstreet <A HREF="/useremail/u/1108984"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>    :</small><br><br>a public webserver is not a [Critical] system<br> </div>OK. You just keep telling yourself that. Obviously I don't know what i'm talking about. I'm just a lowly tech controller.<br> </div>Are you saying the military puts their critical systems on the public internet?<br> </div>The news article does a good job at answering that I would think.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:55:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1108984"><b>longstreet</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Mchart <A HREF="/useremail/u/936980"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  longstreet <A HREF="/useremail/u/1108984"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>a public webserver is not a [Critical] system<br> </div>OK. You just keep telling yourself that. Obviously I don't know what i'm talking about. I'm just a lowly tech controller.<br> </div>Are you saying the military puts their critical systems on the public internet?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:51:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/897844"><b>N3OGH</b></A> : I hadn't seen it before....]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:50:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/936980"><b>Mchart</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  longstreet <A HREF="/useremail/u/1108984"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>a public webserver is not a [Critical] system<br> </div>OK. You just keep telling yourself that. Obviously I don't know what i'm talking about. I'm just a lowly tech controller.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:47:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1108984"><b>longstreet</b></A> : a public webserver is not a [Critical] system]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:46:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/936980"><b>Mchart</b></A> : &raquo;<small>https</small>://<A HREF="https://www.my.af.mil/faf/FAF/fafHome.jsp">www.my.af.mil/faf/FAF/fafHome.jsp</A><br><br>I'd be pretty scared for my own security if someone got into that. Many what you call 'critical' systems are definatly attackable from the outside world.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:45:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1108984"><b>longstreet</b></A> : care to digress?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:43:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/936980"><b>Mchart</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  longstreet <A HREF="/useremail/u/1108984"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>To attack the public internet, you have to be on the public internet.<br><br>My point is :<br><br>[Critical] systems are NOT on the public internet<br> </div>If only you knew.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:41:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1108984"><b>longstreet</b></A> : To attack the public internet, you have to be on the public internet.<br><br>My point is :<br><br>[Critical] systems are NOT on the public internet]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:41:00 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>TK Junk Mail</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  longstreet <A HREF="/useremail/u/1108984"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Hmm, interesting.<br><br>I would say any country that ties their critical systems to the Internet so foreign powers can touch them is foolish.<br><br>I highly doubt either China (they are the enemy? - ok) or the United States has such systems exposed.<br> </div>You would have thought so. But that isn't the case:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.news.com/U.S.-reveals-plans-to-hit-back-at-cyberthreats/2100-1029_3-6236649.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-20&subj=news" >www.news.com/U.S.-reveals-plans-&middot;&middot;&middot;ubj=news</A><br><div class="bquote">The infrastructure the U.S. military uses to both launch and defend against cyberattacks runs through the public Internet system. Military networks such as the Global Information Grid are linked to U.S. government and critical national infrastructure systems, which in turn are linked to the public Internet. Adversary systems are subverted by the U.S. military through public channels--however, this also leaves the U.S. military open to attack through the same channels, said Elder.<br><br>"The infrastructure on which the Air Force depends is controlled by both military and commercial entities and is vulnerable to attacks and manipulation," Elder said. </div><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:39:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/936980"><b>Mchart</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TK Junk Mail <A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Mchart <A HREF="/useremail/u/936980"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This is pretty old news dude.<br> </div> <br><br>U.S. reveals plans to hit back at cyberthreats<br>By Tom Espiner<br>Special to <b>CNET News.com Published: April 4, 2008 9:18 AM PDT </b><br> </div>That information has been up on the AFPortal for eons now.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:37:56 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1108984"><b>longstreet</b></A> : Hmm, interesting.<br><br>I would say any country that ties their critical systems to the Internet so foreign powers can touch them is foolish.<br><br>I highly doubt either China (they are the enemy? - ok) or the United States has such systems exposed.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:36:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>TK Junk Mail</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Mchart <A HREF="/useremail/u/936980"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This is pretty old news dude.<br> </div> <br><br>U.S. reveals plans to hit back at cyberthreats<br>By Tom Espiner<br>Special to <b>CNET News.com Published: April 4, 2008 9:18 AM PDT </b><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:36:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/881809"><b>MagMan</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Mchart <A HREF="/useremail/u/936980"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This is pretty old news dude.<br> </div>But he is the news dude.<br><small>--<br>"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is."</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:34:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/936980"><b>Mchart</b></A> : This is pretty old news dude.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:31:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>TK Junk Mail</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.news.com/U.S.-reveals-plans-to-hit-back-at-cyberthreats/2100-1029_3-6236649.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-20&subj=news" >www.news.com/U.S.-reveals-plans-&middot;&middot;&middot;ubj=news</A><br><br><div class="bquote">The U.S. Air Force Cyber Command is developing capabilities to inflict denial of service, confidential data loss, data manipulation, and system integrity loss on its adversaries, and to combine these with physical attacks, according to a senior U.S. general. <br><br>Air Force Cyber Command (AFCYBER) &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.afcyber.af.mil/" >www.afcyber.af.mil/</A> , a U.S. military unit set up in September 2007 to fight in cyberspace, is<b><u> due to become fully operational in the autumn</b></u> under the aegis of the U.S. Eighth Air Force. <br><br>"Offensive cyberattacks in network warfare make kinetic attacks more effective, (for example) if we take out an adversary's integrated defense systems or weapons systems," Elder said. "This is exploiting cyber to achieve our objectives."<br><br>Other causes for military concern include possible supply-chain vulnerabilities, where vulnerabilities are introduced into chipsets during manufacturing that an adversary can then exploit, and electronics vulnerabilities.</div>US is vulnerable because an enemy now makes most of our electronics - CHINA.<br><br> <br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a></small>]]></description>
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