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Pictor Guy

join:2004-06-21
Sammamish, WA

Liability

At what point will we go before there are so much restrictions that the ISP makes themselves liable for users actions. If users become reasonably accustomed to ISPs policing their own traffic wouldn't a "reasonable" (legal speak) person expect that the ISP would stop little Billy from providing pirated software? Could this lead to a RIAA/MPAA suit against Bill's Mom or Dad and Mom or Dad counter suit against the ISP? I know this is not likely but that's where it seems we are heading.

As for reading email... they have every right to do so as long as it's needed for the normal operation of their mail servers. That is assuming that they didn't outsource the mail service to a third party or unless the ISP is a government agency.


dr3yec

join:2002-12-19
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Or so much restrictions that internet is just horrible. I am really considering giving up my pc's. The isp's are making the net very unattractive. I lived many years with out it. I surely can do it again. Internet is more than checking email and surfing the net. Sometimes I wonder if I live in china or America.


Pictor Guy

join:2004-06-21
Sammamish, WA

said by dr3yec:

Sometimes I wonder if I live in china or America.
That's an easy one. Just walk into a local department store and see where things are made.


Devils Advocate

@dsl.bell.ca

reply to Pictor Guy
The ironic part of restriction is it that it's SUPPOSED TO make the provider MORE liable for users' actions. The more control you exercise over content, the more "aware" you need to be OF that content. Therefore, you end up in the position of "you KNEW what you were ALLOWING".

Knowing that, I'm a little confused as to why Bell would invite that scenario. Oh, wait a minute, I forgot!... Bell is above the law, as they've been proving all along.

Don't forget, the MPAA and RIAA already approached Bell (and others, including the RCMP), about (what the MAFIAA perceives is) the providers' supposed DUTY to help combat piracy, involving turning over all sorts of user data (IP addresses, specific download activity, user names and addresses, source servers, etc.) to law enforcement, and the ENTERTAINMENT authorities, ON DEMAND!

Shortly after that, Bell put out a notice of a change to their TOS, stating, off all things, they were reserving the right to "cooperate with law enforcement needs". Basically, the customers were told that their personal info and user data ARE SUBJECT to this.

Not long after, came the throttling of BitTorrent and P2P.

This was followed by the news that there are MAFIAA-sanctioned media download sites in the works (think "bandwidth"), and the providing networks would be given "incentives" to participate.

It would be interesting to know what method of file transfer these sites are going to promote to facilitate the downloading of large video files, and how that form of "bandwidth hogging" will be any different than the one they used to "justify" the present throttling.

As far as READING e-mail goes...
Providers DO NOT have any right to actually read your e-mail. They only have the implied "responsibility" to process the headers, in order to attempt to filter spam out of the equation as much as possible.

Yes, content can be scanned by software/algorithms for spam elements, but that's not considered "reading", as it's not done by a human.

I'm not saying a human will never read your e-mail, but such an occurrence would (should) not be due to any "deliberate scrutiny" of the user's personal activity.

This kind of thing, I'm sure, will be included in the coming rebellion over "net neutrality".

(No, I am not a server admin, or anything like that, or anyone that works for a provider. I don't know why "@bell.ca" appears under my name. You couldn't pay me enough to work for Bell, that's for sure! I am a Sympatico user.)
: )


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