GearHead360
join:2002-12-14
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
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4 edits | Telephone wiring - my design - will it work? No NID.
My house is 13years old and seem sto have a VERY simple wiring scheme. Will this design work?
And no new school demarc (NID) anywhere with no jacks.
Will DSL work over this? The phone # check on the teksavvy website says that it will.
blocks similar to something like this |
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recneps
join:2006-06-24
Whitby, ON | Re: Do you need a demarc?
Thats the demarc.
Its just older style, like we have.
Newer ones have plugs, i believe, but its all the same in the end.
Its where the outside line turns into inside lines. |
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GearHead360
join:2002-12-14
1 edit | aha |
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shepd
join:2004-01-17
Kitchener, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to GearHead360
Yes, it should work fine.
Request that the installer install a demarc, though. Bell must give you one (CRTC mandated) for free, or pay for your internal wiring repairs (their choice).
I can find the appropriate CRTC decision detailing this...  I had to argue with Bell to get a demarc installed for free, ended up calling the CRTC, the CRTC gave me the magic number to talk with people with a clue at Bell (and, of course, advised me I was correct), and it was fixed (although the installer had no demarcs and just installed a junction box, *sigh*).
Without a demarc, isolating your internal wiring as an issue is difficult (impossible, really). This means you risk being billed by Nexxia for repairs (not that they really do this much, but why risk it? and why take 3-5 days to find out you will still need to fix the problem yourself anyways?)
You probably have a (small) 66 block. You could buy a punchdown tool for that if you want to modify it, but again, why bother?  If you want to scare the installer (okay, make the installer happy), put in a bix block. 
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/66_block |
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GearHead360
join:2002-12-14
1 edit | Do I really need to though? Can I just stick with my current simple wiring? My internal block has a second set of unused connection points which could be used to run wires solely for the DSL phone jack. |
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Scoop
join:2006-08-05
Ottawa, ON | I have a demarc like yours outside the house and have not had any problems. |
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GearHead360
join:2002-12-14
3 edits | aha |
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recneps
join:2006-06-24
Whitby, ON
| reply to GearHead360
Demarc |
And yes.. its the first thing inside the house. There is nothing else from bell. There's even a "Don't touch! call bell for service' tag thing on it. (its off the picture, attached to the ground wire on the left) |
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GearHead360
join:2002-12-14 | And it works fine? for DSL? |
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nanook
Premium,MVM
join:2007-12-02
·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| said by GearHead360  :Do I really need to though? Can I just stick with my current simple wiring? My internal block has a second set of unused connection points which could be used to run wires solely for the DSL phone jack. A couple of choices. First install a POTS splitter at the demarc
1. Run filtered through the regular red/green pair and run a twisted pair directly to the DSL modem (which BTW should be as close as possible to the demarc.) -or-
2. Run filtered through the regular red/green pair and unfiltered DSL through the secondary yellow/black pair. Then install a duplex RJ-11 where the DSL modem is located wired so that one jack has red/green active and the other (for the DSL modem) has yellow/black active.
said by GearHead360 :And it works fine? for DSL? Sure. A pushdown block like that is fairly standard from ~20 years ago.
But first things first. If you live close enough to the CO/RSLAM to get a good DSL signal then the quality of the demarc and the rest of your inside wiring is not all that important. There is no need to mess with it if it is not nevessasry. OTOH if you are on a marginal line then your best bet is to wire the DSL modem as close to the demarc as possible, then run Ethernet to your PC (or use WiFi.) |
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Gokuu
join:2001-08-27
| reply to recneps
A classic!
That's an old 66 Block.
All you need is the right termination tool and you are ready to go. Terminate a pair to the block, and crimp an rj11 connector to the other end.
said by recneps :Here's ours. Lol And yes.. its the first thing inside the house. There is nothing else from bell. There's even a "Don't touch! call bell for service' tag thing on it. (its off the picture, attached to the ground wire on the left) |
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Gokuu
join:2001-08-27
| reply to GearHead360
Go ahead.
It's fine. Just make sure your terminations are solid. I can't recall off the top of my head, but the old 66 blocks may have required 22 AWG wire, which typically was the gauge coming inside your house from the outside plant. You may run into problems if using a cat5e cable for wire pairs, since they are 24 AWG (smaller diameter).
said by GearHead360 :Do I really need to though? Can I just stick with my current simple wiring? My internal block has a second set of unused connection points which could be used to run wires solely for the DSL phone jack. |
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GearHead360
join:2002-12-14
4 edits | aha |
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GearHead360
join:2002-12-14 | reply to GearHead360
Re: Do you need a demarc?
Do i need a POTS filter .. can I just stick with the regular DSL filter? |
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Gokuu
join:2001-08-27
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Re: Go ahead.
Take a picture of your "demarc/NID" and post it here.
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GearHead360
join:2002-12-14
·Rogers Hi-Speed
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3 edits | Don't need to.. it looks like this
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Demarc2.JPG
This is my setup
GROUND ---> BLOCK #1 (single block)----2 SEPERATE CABLE (X & Y)---> BLOCK #2 A & B (double block)
CONTINUD
CABLE X -----DSL FILTER (NOT POTS SPLITTER)----> BLOCK #2 A (Telephone) ---------> individual wires to multiple individual jacks
CABLE Y-----> BLOCK #2 B (DSL) -------> Single DSL phone jack |
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nanook
Premium,MVM
join:2007-12-02
·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to GearHead360
Re: Do you need a demarc?
said by GearHead360 :Do i need a POTS filter .. can I just stick with the regular DSL filter? It is not essential. Try ordinary DSL filters. Post your stats here. Then we can offer suggestions. |
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GearHead360
join:2002-12-14 | Well I don't have DSL right now.. Im just getting my house ready for it. Could my setup work the way its designed? |
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Candoo3
join:2005-01-24 | It should work fine, just make sure to filter your phones. |
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GearHead360
join:2002-12-14
1 edit | Why do I need filters on every phone? I have a single filter running on CABLE X? |
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