A solution to drive-by voters in Site Feature Requests http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20293741 en Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:23:23 EDT Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:23:23 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20322399 C_ : *object*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20322399 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:56:09 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321602 burner50 : maybe re-order the rankings so that POOR is not the top choice and amazing is the bottom...

duh...

Up is down and down is up and everybody in here is crazy :D
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Doubt it will get very far.

Its their opinion and that's what the forum is about.

Voting is just a tool not fact.

Take out of it what you will.

Sorry

*OBJECT* ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20311951 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:14:19 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20311290 Shadow01 :
said by jjoshua See Profile :

Bad votes eliminate your chance of getting on the home page.
*OBJECT*

If being eliminated from the home page is that big of an issue, then give all the pictures a "poor" vote to nullify the prerequisite for home page consideration.
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said by jjoshua See Profile :

We all get PO'd when we get a drive-by vote by someone who has never posted anything to the DI forum much less to the entire site.

I would like to suggest that the system prevent my ignored users from voting on my images. It won't stop drive-by voting but I can make sure that it only happens once.
#1 we don't "all" get po'd. I for one just personally ignore the one or two people that vote me "poor" on a regular basis. Its just an opinion poll. Just as I ignore the "amazing" I get from 1 or 2 other people for the same reason. the vote is a minimal form of feedback for me and with out comments the vote is nothing more than a head nod from the public in one direction or another.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20306207 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 01:05:49 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20305523 vaxvms : It is impossible to explain why different people like different things (especially things that do not appeal to you).

said by jjoshua See Profile :

Bad votes eliminate your chance of getting on the home page.
So your "amazing" photo doesn't get displayed on the home page. Does that make it any less "amazing" to you?
Are your photos postings done simply because you want them to be displayed on the home page?


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And the responses were almost word for word.

The earlier post enlightened me to the Digital Forum and the posting of photos. If I have time, I will look for my pleasure.

But I do not vote.

Just on principle that this was brought up and made the front page, since the first of the year. I'll have to-

*Object*

With all the recent suggestions that dslr be made more MySpace-like, why are we asking the System Admins to take on more work.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20303937 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:15:47 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20303521 Maxo : *object*

There is no good fix to drive-by voting. I don't do a lot in the DI forum, but it seems like it's not that big of a deal anyhow.
The suggested fix is a poor one as it allows people to submit photos and then ban anyone who gives them a poor rate, justified or not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20303521 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:54:40 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20303387 anon :
said by jjoshua See Profile :

said by SilverSurfer See Profile :

I concur with everyone else on this thread who has objected. Your request is unreasonable.
Just to sum up your position... You support drive-by voting and object to fixing the problem.
In all honesty, most *amazing* votes are "drive-by" votes as well. I have received many amazing votes with no explanation. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20303387 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:29:26 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20303298 RangerTX :
said by jjoshua See Profile :

said by SilverSurfer See Profile :

I concur with everyone else on this thread who has objected. Your request is unreasonable.
Just to sum up your position... You support drive-by voting and object to fixing the problem.
What problem is that? You want to only get rating that you feel your photos deserve. So if someone votes poor on one of your photos, you want to prevent that person from being able to vote on any future photos that you take. Sorry but it don't work that way. You got 2 choices 1)let users rate your photos 2)not let users rate your photo. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20303298 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:13:16 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20303231 Pretorious :
said by tmpchaos See Profile :

said by Pretorious See Profile :

I didn't say that, I'm saying that poor votes continuously without any explanation, reason, or information as to how that individual sees to improve on the images are worthless, and those with no explanation should be deleteable (is that a word?) by the owner of the gallery.
Not to be any more ornery than I usually am, but shouldn't the same thing apply to a vote of 'amazing'?
It seems that most people that vote amazing also comment the image as well. The only ones I've ever seen that voted and did not comment at all had almost always voted poor. :p
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said by SilverSurfer See Profile :

I concur with everyone else on this thread who has objected. Your request is unreasonable.
Just to sum up your position... You support drive-by voting and object to fixing the problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20303192 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:53:02 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20303033 SilverSurfer :
said by jjoshua See Profile :

Did I say that? No. Please re-read the request.
Not in so many words you didn't. But you are arguing semantics here. The end result you want is the exact same as if you had said so in the first place. If others don't agree with you or your images, then you want to disable their ability to have an opinion. I concur with everyone else on this thread who has objected. Your request is unreasonable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20303033 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:23:08 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20302112 Gizy : YOU are ignoring them, they are not necessarily ignoring you. Voting is working the exact same way.

If you want consistency, then their vote should count, you just wouldn't be able to see it. THAT would be consistent. And that I would agree to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20302112 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:43:27 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20301911 jjoshua :
said by major marco See Profile :

so because someone does not concur with you that your images/opinions are amazing their vote should be therefore disabled? That's not a compelling reason, IMO. **OBJECT**
Did I say that? No. Please re-read the request.

If I choose to ignore someone, then they should not be able to vote on my images.

Simple request.

There are requests for people to be able to see what ignored users are posting and those requests go down in flames.

Now I'm asking for some consistency with respect to ignored users and voting on images. Still people object.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20301911 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:11:35 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20301750 major marco : so because someone does not concur with you that your images/opinions are amazing their vote should be therefore disabled? That's not a compelling reason, IMO. **OBJECT**]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20301750 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:44:48 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20301557 tmpchaos :
said by Pretorious See Profile :

I didn't say that, I'm saying that poor votes continuously without any explanation, reason, or information as to how that individual sees to improve on the images are worthless, and those with no explanation should be deleteable (is that a word?) by the owner of the gallery.
Not to be any more ornery than I usually am, but shouldn't the same thing apply to a vote of 'amazing'?
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said by Pretorious See Profile :

said by ptrowski See Profile :

said by Pretorious See Profile :

Sign. IMO if they vote poor they should at least give a reason or some info on how they think the image could be improved.

Or better yet, giving each individual the power to delete such votes/comments from their own gallery would be a really nice feature addition. Both Pbase and Flickr offer this feature to enable the user to simply delete any "drive by" comments.
Being able to remove vostes negates the whole purpose of the voting system and skews the "results". I hardly post in the DI forum but visit it and the gallery regularly as I find the photos taken to be great and can help me as an amateur learn. So therefore since I don't post in the forum my vote is not worth anything?

*OBJECT*
I didn't say that, I'm saying that poor votes continuously without any explanation, reason, or information as to how that individual sees to improve on the images are worthless, and those with no explanation should be deleteable (is that a word?) by the owner of the gallery.
I guess it just comes down to each person's individual tastes. But I could see people in theory abusing this even if they did get feedback.

Now if someone has a history of doing this then I would imagine it could be addressed on an individual basis. Even in the few pictures I have posted I got the random "poor" without comment. I jsut assumed the person did not like it, etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20301493 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:55:31 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20301472 Pretorious :
said by ptrowski See Profile :

said by Pretorious See Profile :

Sign. IMO if they vote poor they should at least give a reason or some info on how they think the image could be improved.

Or better yet, giving each individual the power to delete such votes/comments from their own gallery would be a really nice feature addition. Both Pbase and Flickr offer this feature to enable the user to simply delete any "drive by" comments.
Being able to remove vostes negates the whole purpose of the voting system and skews the "results". I hardly post in the DI forum but visit it and the gallery regularly as I find the photos taken to be great and can help me as an amateur learn. So therefore since I don't post in the forum my vote is not worth anything?

*OBJECT*
I didn't say that, I'm saying that poor votes continuously without any explanation, reason, or information as to how that individual sees to improve on the images are worthless, and those with no explanation should be deleteable (is that a word?) by the owner of the gallery.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20301472 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:51:14 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20301291 ptrowski :
said by Pretorious See Profile :

Sign. IMO if they vote poor they should at least give a reason or some info on how they think the image could be improved.

Or better yet, giving each individual the power to delete such votes/comments from their own gallery would be a really nice feature addition. Both Pbase and Flickr offer this feature to enable the user to simply delete any "drive by" comments.
Being able to remove vostes negates the whole purpose of the voting system and skews the "results". I hardly post in the DI forum but visit it and the gallery regularly as I find the photos taken to be great and can help me as an amateur learn. So therefore since I don't post in the forum my vote is not worth anything?

*OBJECT*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20301291 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:09:13 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20301120 Bulgaro : objection ,

I believe the lowest I've voted has been "Good". My opinion of Excellent seems to be Amazing for most and after voting it tells me how everyone else has voted . I take under consideration what the photographer has gone through to get the image . I believe though , if there is an image that does not strike me @ minimum "good" I will not vote on it .
I guess what I'm saying is that it could be worse , either Thumbs UP or Thumbs DOWN .

My 2 cents ... I gave a nickle just waiting on my change . ;) .

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If you ask for votes, you're going to get votes. If some of the votes are "poor", maybe the photos are poor. You're asking for opinions, aren't you?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20300493 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:06:26 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20300314 quatrix : Drive-by "object".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20300314 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:02:27 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20299686 Gizy : *object*
You have a "solution"-turn off voting.
Why do you think you should be able to control who votes for your images? People are going to vote for/critique images for all kinds of reasons, including personal ones. Happens here, happens in real life too. Do you think you should be able to ignore a critic who wants to review your work and in turn, they aren't allowed to publish the review? Doesn't work that way.

Besides, what is the big deal about the front page? Some of us never have the chance anyhow, since we've already turned off voting.

You know drive-by's are going to happen. Either allow voting and get over it, or don't allow voting and you won't have to worry about it.
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said by jjoshua See Profile :

said by pog See Profile :

Your solution assumes a problem... but what's the problem, exactly?
Users who vote "poor" on images for no good reason.
Other than they had disagreements with a particular user in some other forum and the poor vote is just a "get back" vote
*SIGN*
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poor
average
good
excellent
amazing

"Average" should be the middle choice of the 5, it seems to me. Eliminating "poor" votes makes "average" the lowest rating possible.
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This is not a solution, but it is an option. :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20298794 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:01:25 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20297900 Apathy : ~object~

Disable voting on your pictures is one option. Not posting any pictures at all is another. Or maybe just learn to deal with the idea that not everyone is going to think that your pictures are "Amazing!". ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20297900 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:21:02 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20297739 pog :
said by jjoshua See Profile :

said by pog See Profile :

Your solution assumes a problem... but what's the problem, exactly?
Users who vote "poor" on images for no good reason.
Why does it matter?
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said by La Luna See Profile :

Maybe a better idea would be to remove "poor" as a choice.

Having said that, does it really matter that some bonehead voted "poor"? If all the other votes were good (as your screenie shows), all he did was make himself look like an ass.
Bad votes eliminate your chance of getting on the home page.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20297721 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:50:54 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20297478 La Luna : Maybe a better idea would be to remove "poor" as a choice.

Having said that, does it really matter that some bonehead voted "poor"? If all the other votes were good (as your screenie shows), all he did was make himself look like an ass. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20297478 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:00:22 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20296982 jjoshua :
said by jhawk44 See Profile :

Object. Just cause everyone besides one thinks it's amazing doesn't mean it's amazing to every last person on the planet.
Right.

And if I disagree with what that person has to say, I can ignore them.

And if I choose to ignore that person, they don't need to vote on my photos.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20296982 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:35:46 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20296079 Pretorious : Sign. IMO if they vote poor they should at least give a reason or some info on how they think the image could be improved.

Or better yet, giving each individual the power to delete such votes/comments from their own gallery would be a really nice feature addition. Both Pbase and Flickr offer this feature to enable the user to simply delete any "drive by" comments.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20296079 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:56:51 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295829 jhawk44 : Object. Just cause everyone besides one thinks it's amazing doesn't mean it's amazing to every last person on the planet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295829 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:05:18 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295807 jjoshua :
said by ff1324 See Profile :

said by jjoshua See Profile :

Users who vote "poor" on images for no good reason.
No good reason in your opinion.... :uhh:
Yeah... in my opinion...

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said by jjoshua See Profile :

Users who vote "poor" on images for no good reason.
No good reason in your opinion.... :uhh:
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said by pog See Profile :

Your solution assumes a problem... but what's the problem, exactly?
Users who vote "poor" on images for no good reason.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295626 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:12:56 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295033 removed :
said by jjoshua See Profile :

We all ...
Nope.

*object*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295033 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:37:01 EDT Re: A solution to drive-by voters http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20294262 vaxvms :
said by jjoshua See Profile :

We all get PO'd when we get a drive-by vote by someone who has never posted anything to the DI forum much less to the entire site.
WE do?
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I would like to suggest that the system prevent my ignored users from voting on my images. It won't stop drive-by voting but I can make sure that it only happens once.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20293741 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:34:04 EDT