Re: [help] How does ATT DSL compare to Optimum Online Cable? in AT&T Northeast http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20293790 en Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:10:10 EDT Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:10:10 EDT Re: [help] How does ATT DSL compare to Optimum Online Cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20395417 skj : And now back on topic please.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20395417 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:54:14 EDT Re: [help] How does ATT DSL compare to Optimum Online Cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20395133 NormanS :
said by jpwriting See Profile :

You seem to be taking my reply personally, ie: as if I were trying to prove you wrong somehow.
Seriously? I don't particularly care what you think about me.
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Please don't read too much into a reply and go on the defensive from the word go, I'm not here to pick a fight or argument, prove how much I know, etc. I was only giving the OP my reasons for preferring ATT ADSL over Cable, and that is performs quite well as a less expensive more dependable alternative (albeit with generally lower top speeds).

I don't believe that the OP is looking for statistical standard deviation (which as you said deals with a minimal difference of a few milliseconds). He's looking for real world application that would be of significant influence to his decision. I was trying to give him that input.

Adding to that information: my speeds are 6000kb/s down 630kb/s upstream with little variance, they almost never change far from that. Ping is generally 57-65ms.

Edit: forgot to add ping as requested.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20393887 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:13:47 EDT Re: [help] How does ATT DSL compare to Optimum Online Cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20392525 NormanS : All Internet is shared. DSL is just shared farther out (at the aggregation router) than cable (on the last mile).

I've seen Embarq and Qwest (DSL) users posting latencies in the 100s to 400s. I've very rarely seen Comcast and Road Runner (cable) users posting such high latencies. But that is not normal deviation

I don't believe that cable is inherently so bad, compared with DSL, WRT latency. DSL latency deviation is normally 1-3 ms on an average of 8-9 ms close to the premises. Cable latency deviation, that I have seen, is normally 8-10 ms on an average of 5-6 ms close to the premises.

I am referring to the statistical standard deviation from a statistical average.
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All that said, the deal you have now is not that bad (as long as the speeds and latency are reliable). However, if you don't use that much bandwidth and would be happy trading slightly lower speeds for a little extra cash in the wallet then it might be worth it for you to make a switch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20391961 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:17:46 EDT Re: [help] How does ATT DSL compare to Optimum Online Cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20300462 NormanS : Generally speaking, cable latency is slightly lower on average, but with a higher deviation, than DSL latency.
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what's a typical ping to yahoo.com?
how about a speed test on this site?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20299861 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:22:02 EDT Re: [help] How does ATT DSL compare to Optimum Online Cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295808 NormanS : For P2P, downgrading your speed will mean longer time to complete a download.

Only you can decided how you wish to allocate your money. I am not a speed demon, and something of a tightwad, so I prefer at&t Yahoo! HSI Pro over anything Comcast offers.

For others, money is no object, and speed is everything. They will never be happy on DSL, short of bonded pair ADSL2, or VDSL, which can keep up with cable speeds. AT&T is not offering ADSL2, or bonded pair VDSL in this area at this time.
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I can tell you this when I was on dialup I dreamed of the day I could get 1.5 down then last time I was on the road and was in a hotel downloading a podcast at that speed I could not stand how long it was taking.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20293790 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:42:43 EDT [help] How does ATT DSL compare to Optimum Online Cable? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20292240 bimmerm3m5 : I have been considering making the move from OOL to ATT Yahoo! DSL for a while now mainly due to the high prices of OOL. How speedy is the service?

Mainly, I use my connection for web browsing and torrents/p2p.

Now, OOL is amazingly fast at 15down/2up mbps and I can get some awesome download speeds, but I'm not sure its worth $50 a month anymore.

We are considering going with the Express package which looks like 1.5mbps/384mbps. The Pro package is also tempting at 3mbps/512kbps.

Anyone's thoughts? I think I am pretty close to the switching station...is there any way I can find this out? Anything else I should know being a longtime cable user?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20292240 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:21:52 EDT