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MyDogHsFleas
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This is like 253rd on the list of things I'm concerned about

I mean, so I get a few targeted ads. So what? I can deal with that, I'm good at ignoring ads. And maybe they'll come up with something more relevant to me, who knows?

And it's not like they're keeping any personal information about me, just some aggregrated statistics on the kinds of sites I visit. I don't see the privacy concerns.

I really don't get why this is a front-page-news on BroadbandReports.com level issue.


justbits
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This is a big privacy concern. This would be similar to someone spying on you, noticing that you visit certain stores, keeping track of the general category of things you buy and you suddenly getting junk mail and TV advertisements related to the stuff you're already buying or looking at.


Titus
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reply to MyDogHsFleas
said by MyDogHsFleas:

I mean, so I get a few targeted ads. So what?
I really don't get why this is a front-page-news on BroadbandReports.com level issue.
Because experience teaches us that this is always how it starts. Privacy for profit first; privacy for nefarious purposes second. Think about the adage "give an inch, take a mile" for a few minutes, and then think about your government for a few minutes afterward.
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GlenQuagmire
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reply to justbits
said by justbits:

This is a big privacy concern. This would be similar to someone spying on you, noticing that you visit certain stores, keeping track of the general category of things you buy and you suddenly getting junk mail and TV advertisements related to the stuff you're already buying or looking at.
Stores and Credit car companies already do that. Once you swipe your credit card stores keep that info on file. Then when they can track all of your purchases no matter where in the country you shop.
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MyDogHsFleas
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said by justbits:

This is a big privacy concern. This would be similar to someone spying on you, noticing that you visit certain stores, keeping track of the general category of things you buy and you suddenly getting junk mail and TV advertisements related to the stuff you're already buying or looking at.
Ummm.. that happens now. And it's not "spying", that would be illegal. Credit card companies sell this information. If you have a supermarket discount card, they sell that information. Marketing companies take all kinds of demographic and public-record information and sell it. You get targeted ads all the time unless you're paranoid about it and put yourself off the grid on purpose.

This is another example of the delusion people here seem to have. I call it "Web sites are special, magic places." People here seem to think that because something is happening on the Web, normal rules and considerations don't apply. Well, they do. If people are doing business on the Web, it'll be like business outside the Web. They'll look to gather consumer information to do targeted advertising. This has been going on ever since direct mail advertising, long, long before the Web or TV or even radio existed.

Maybe I'm just not of the mindset of people here. I really don't have a problem with my generic product and market preference information being out there, in trade for me getting lower-cost access to many things I want to participate in. Advertising revenue is what makes a whole lot of content businesses fly. And that revenue increases the better targeted the advertising market is.

These people really don't care about your personally identifiable information (PII). They care about your demographic, your buying tendencies, your response to different kinds of advertising. So there really is little cause for privacy concerns, unless you think "privacy" includes "the ability to observe behavior of consumers in a market".

And what is the big deal about ads? Why are ads such an affont to people? You pay attention to them or you don't. Big freaking deal. I have no problem clicking close on a window, or hanging up the phone, or recycling junk mail, or deleting spam e-mail. All those things take up maybe 10 minutes a day, total. I spend more time shaving and brushing my teeth.

MyDogHsFleas
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reply to Titus
said by Titus:

said by MyDogHsFleas:

I mean, so I get a few targeted ads. So what?
I really don't get why this is a front-page-news on BroadbandReports.com level issue.
Because experience teaches us that this is always how it starts. Privacy for profit first; privacy for nefarious purposes second. Think about the adage "give an inch, take a mile" for a few minutes, and then think about your government for a few minutes afterward.
These are two completely different things that you have related together because of conspiracy fever.

Businesses want buying and ad-response information about people, so they can be more effective with their advertising spend. That has nothing to do with what the government may or may not want. The government could care less about your market behavior.


Titus
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said by MyDogHsFleas:

said by Titus:

said by MyDogHsFleas:

I mean, so I get a few targeted ads. So what?
I really don't get why this is a front-page-news on BroadbandReports.com level issue.
Because experience teaches us that this is always how it starts. Privacy for profit first; privacy for nefarious purposes second. Think about the adage "give an inch, take a mile" for a few minutes, and then think about your government for a few minutes afterward.
These are two completely different things that you have related together because of conspiracy fever.

Businesses want buying and ad-response information about people, so they can be more effective with their advertising spend. That has nothing to do with what the government may or may not want. The government could care less about your market behavior.
Well, unless you're suddenly ordering guns online ...

And you know, turning anything resembling mistrust or being wary into "conspiracy fever" won't fly because enough people have learned how hard others work to turn words that convey simple concepts into a pejorative -- like the word "liberal" for example.

No one is claiming - at least I hope not - that these ISPs are in cahoots w/the Illuminati, only that it's another avenue of ingress for *possible* abuses of privacy, if you're so inclined to believe such abuses exist. I do.
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Boogeyman
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reply to MyDogHsFleas
I agree with you for the most part. I do feel uneasy having targeted ads, but it wouldnt bother me if in exchange for that, I get added features/reduced cost for my service.

On the other hand, ads DO bother me. For example: Theres one on NHL.com that fills the screen with a huge noisy flash overlay if you mouse over the banner (which is located at the top of the page between the articles and the links to get to other pages on the site).

Yes, it is rather trivial to just close it, ignore the ad, delete the spam, etc. But its still annoying and consumes time.

MyDogHsFleas
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reply to Titus
said by Titus:

Well, unless you're suddenly ordering guns online ...
You raise an excellent point. The Government IS interested in illegal buying activity over the Internet. Illegal weapons, child porn, mail fraud, etc. So I should have said "the government could care less about your LEGAL market behavior".

And sorry if I hit a sore spot with the "conspiracy fever" comment. I'm all about mistrust and being wary. My point is, I just don't think tracking consumer behavior for ad targeting is something that deserves much wariness.


KoolMoe
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I think it does need some wariness. The definition of what's legal can change in a heartbeat. It may not be illegal to search for Vegetarian Aliens now, but do you want the gov't to know you used to search for them before it was made illegal?
KM


MrMoody
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reply to MyDogHsFleas
said by MyDogHsFleas:

The government could care less about your market behavior.
Well, except in a concerted mass economics way, which is why they are in denial about the current inflation, recession and un/underemployment. Mortgage failures and real estate slippage are just symptoms that make a convenient scapegoat to help avert a general panic. Welcome to the 70s again, folks, and the cause is the same this time as it was then.

Personal predictions, you saw 'em here first:
Obama will be nominated and win the election by a landslide and the biggest Democratic victory since LBJ in 1964 if not bigger.
2009 will see the beginning of double-digit inflation and unemployment. Only heroic efforts will avert a depression.
Gasoline will be $4 a gallon even in low-priced areas by next March and $6 a gallon within 3 years.
Obama will not win a second term.

I sure hope I'm wrong.
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MyDogHsFleas
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said by MrMoody:

Personal predictions, you saw 'em here first:
Obama will be nominated and win the election by a landslide and the biggest Democratic victory since LBJ in 1964 if not bigger.
2009 will see the beginning of double-digit inflation and unemployment. Only heroic efforts will avert a depression.
Gasoline will be $4 a gallon even in low-priced areas by next March and $6 a gallon within 3 years.
Obama will not win a second term.
I've been telling people for a while that he completely reminds me of Jimmy Carter. He speaks in nice-sounding platitudes of "solutions" to "problems". The solutions are all simplistic, even arrogant in their assumption that the previous administration were stupid concrete-heads not to understand the brilliance of the "solution". He also acts like he's better, more moral, more pure than everyone else -- not a politician but a spiritual leader, almost. And, his policies are all about having government intervene for the people.

I was in my 20s in the 70s. It really, really stunk. You couldn't buy a house or a car because interest rates were almost 20%. Taxes were sky-high. Our enemies were laughing at us, taking hostages, pushing us around. The Soviets decided it was OK to invade Afghanistan, knowing we wouldn't do anything (therefore laying the seeds, ironically, for 9/11). He screwed up the military so bad that they couldn't even fly helicopters through the desert to rescue POWs. Then the stupid attacks on oil companies and the ham-handed attempts to fix gas prices caused incredible shortages -- it was a lot of work and time just to get enough gas to go to work. Jimmy's response was to put on a sweater (to show how we should bundle up to save on heating costs), go on national TV, and tell us the only thing wrong was that we had a "crisis of confidence" and if we would just pick up our chins and smile confidently everything would be OK.

Out goes Jimmy, in comes Ronnie, kicks the Arabs around, sets the oil free, lowers taxes, frees the hostages, fixes the interest rates, and kicks off one of the greates booms in history. Not to mention ends the Cold War and crushes the Soviet Union, after helping the Afghani kick them out of their country (which, also ironically, also led to 9/11). Ahhhhhhhh... sweet relief.


en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
reply to GlenQuagmire
If you ever purchased a home... take a guess at how many companies know about it.
- Mortgage companies
- House hold interior (carpet, paint, plumbing, electrical)
- Insurance

They all send you more cr@p ads (mortgage companies are bold enough to add in how much you have left on your mortgage!).
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kiamsiamdala

join:2001-11-05
Utica, MI
reply to MyDogHsFleas
Well you seem pretty accepting of the ads/tracking, which is fine. To assume that others should be ok with it is a little off, methinks. If it weren't so damn inconvenient, I'd live off the grid.
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'void planets roll regardless of desolation'