Re: Making room for more channels? in OptimumOnline http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20296695 en Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:35:12 EDT Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:35:12 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471919 Bobcat :
said by JDCMAN See Profile :

Yeah, but doesn't that mean that they increased your node capacity? Every cloud has a silver lining, right?
I don't have OOL. It's too expensive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20471919 Mon, 12 May 2008 19:31:21 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470585 JDCMAN : Yeah, but doesn't that mean that they increased your node capacity? Every cloud has a silver lining, right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470585 Mon, 12 May 2008 15:35:51 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466666 blacknoi :
said by Jmartz See Profile :

Yeah, but when she sees how all the channels picture quality improves and that there is no snow on any channel. The remote should find a code... might not control every single function correctly, but it should find something.
I'm sorry, but a properly tuned analog signal blows away the highly compressed SD equivalent given to us these days.

As long as you have proper signal levels, the analog version is SUPERIOR. I've noticed this especially with black levels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466666 Sun, 11 May 2008 19:18:43 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466639 Bobcat :
said by Bobcat See Profile :

The good news is that there's a giant orange snake coming out of the ground down the street, and all the underground utilities have been marked, so it looks like FiOS is on the way.
They finally buried the orange snake, and it leads to a big, ugly Cablevision box. I guess CV was installing new fiber. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466639 Sun, 11 May 2008 19:12:46 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20428057 Jmartz : Yeah, but when she sees how all the channels picture quality improves and that there is no snow on any channel. The remote should find a code... might not control every single function correctly, but it should find something.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20428057 Sat, 03 May 2008 21:56:07 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20427916 DownTheShore : Just got a call from my sister. She had to pick up a cable box today to get the channels CV switched over to digital from analog, and she can't get a code for the CV remote that works with her TV. (She's presently doing the keep-pressing-the-button-until-the-TV-goes-off-code-search.) Needless to say, she's PO'd about the whole thing. ;)
--
Life is simply one damned thing after another.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20427916 Sat, 03 May 2008 21:23:11 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20427603 Bobcat : They sent me a second letter today for no good reason. CV doesn't seem to mind wasting money on postage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20427603 Sat, 03 May 2008 20:10:34 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20427183 UofMiamiGrad : Got the notice here on the Great Neck system with a date of 6/3 to keep TLC, A&E, E!, Sci-Fi, TruTv, Animal Planet, Travel Channel, C-Span2 & OTB/RAI! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20427183 Sat, 03 May 2008 18:24:17 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20425523 RemyM : Thursday game was exclusive to Versus do to contract, that's why it wasn't on MSG.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20425523 Sat, 03 May 2008 11:19:23 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20424908 Bobcat : One interesting thing is that Thursday's Rangers game was in digital only. It wasn't even available on MSG! I guess they figured no one wanted to watch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20424908 Sat, 03 May 2008 07:14:57 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423348 anon : industry wide cable companies are moving away from filters on line of any type.

this is 1970's technology folks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20423348 Fri, 02 May 2008 20:26:03 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20404592 UofMiamiGrad :
said by RemyM See Profile :

I wonder why CSN New England is being dropped from Litchfield.
Looks like the NBA probably agreed to give that area to the Knicks, so the channel gets dropped. That is the only thing I can think of. Otherwise it makes no sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20404592 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:44:06 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20404174 mws192 :
said by matcarl See Profile :

Wow, lots of info. Thanks for getting a hold of those letters.
I was trying to get a hold of some Charter info for family in a neighboring town and someone gave me the link to DPUC. Big thanks to Qixotl.

»Re: [CATV] Any HD coming to the Newtown, CT system?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20404174 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:09:21 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20404136 RemyM : I wonder why CSN New England is being dropped from Litchfield.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20404136 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:59:02 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20404107 matcarl : Also, what's the SVOD code next to some stations? Is that SDV? If so, they made a lot more than the VOOM stations that way. SVOD usually stands for Subscription Video On Demand, but that doesn't make sense for all the stations they coded that way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20404107 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:52:26 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20404057 matcarl : Wow, lots of info. Thanks for getting a hold of those letters.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20404057 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:40:25 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20403992 mws192 : Here are the legal notices for analog to digital channel changes in CT:

»www.dpuc.state.ct.us/DPUCUndocke···Document

»www.dpuc.state.ct.us/DPUCUndocke···7-08.doc]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20403992 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:19:51 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20403808 RickNY :
said by Bobcat See Profile :

All we're saying is to put the Family Cable digital channels in a frequency space which is already blocked by the existing filters.
They could do that after moving 6 or 7 of the current family channels over to digital only - but will they? Would be wishful thinking if thats the intent of the move posted up above.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20403808 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:53:24 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20403687 Bobcat :
said by Millwood See Profile :

Cablevision could place all the family cable channels within a specific frequency and put a trap on the line to block those frequencies out. Granted, they wouldn't have to block as many frequencies, since each would take out 10 channels at a time... but they could, if they wanted to, assign the chanels to blocks of frequencies that would coorespond to the various packages.
Then they have to send a truck out for each house to put in the appropriate trap. And each time you change service, they need to do it again. And they have to keep looking for those people who remove the traps.

Who do you think will pay for all that service time?
But that's what they do now for Broadcast Basic customers. All we're saying is to put the Family Cable digital channels in a frequency space which is already blocked by the existing filters.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20403687 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:45:43 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401469 matcarl : They used to do filters for premium channels when they were analog and it was a nightmare going to each house removing them when the channels went digital.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401469 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:12:13 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401292 Jmartz :
said by Millwood See Profile :

Cablevision could place all the family cable channels within a specific frequency and put a trap on the line to block those frequencies out. Granted, they wouldn't have to block as many frequencies, since each would take out 10 channels at a time... but they could, if they wanted to, assign the chanels to blocks of frequencies that would coorespond to the various packages.
Then they have to send a truck out for each house to put in the appropriate trap. And each time you change service, they need to do it again. And they have to keep looking for those people who remove the traps.

Who do you think will pay for all that service time?
Certainly the technology exists to have addressable filters and traps on the poles. They would have to go out and install the stuff, make it tamper proof so that if it's removed or messed with, nothing gets through at all. Even analog. Have a special kind of connection, or have the filter/trap decrypt analog signals and send it to the house, this way if it's removed, the analog signal comes through, but it's scrambled.

They could do a lot if they want to. I think they must have investigated that possibility, and who knows, maybe one day it will become reality. They already have a system in place. It's analog, but it was in place and it was pretty effective.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401292 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:39:09 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401165 Millwood :
Cablevision could place all the family cable channels within a specific frequency and put a trap on the line to block those frequencies out. Granted, they wouldn't have to block as many frequencies, since each would take out 10 channels at a time... but they could, if they wanted to, assign the chanels to blocks of frequencies that would coorespond to the various packages.
Then they have to send a truck out for each house to put in the appropriate trap. And each time you change service, they need to do it again. And they have to keep looking for those people who remove the traps.

Who do you think will pay for all that service time?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20401165 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:14:42 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20400507 matcarl : Wow, it's in the news:

»www.multichannel.com/article/CA6555454.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20400507 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:20:20 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20365230 Bobcat : From the pricing I saw online, FiOS TV is cheaper even if you do have to pay for the boxes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20365230 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:38:07 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20364845 Jmartz :
said by sunsetter26 See Profile :

From a business and retention standpoint, that makes no sense to me.
Scientific Atlanta offers extremely stripped down versions of cable boxes that Cablevision could easily offer to customers if they wanted to. Cablevision seems very happy with the limited set of choices they make available to us.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20364845 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:28:18 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20364241 sunsetter26 : This is where I do not agree with Cablevision. Fios is also going all digital, but they are offering up to 3 boxes for free, not for one year, but for as long as your a fios customer. I was told these boxes will only allow you to receive channels and not order pay-per-few etc, but either way, its free. Why would Cablevision only give us 1 free box for 1 year? From a business and retention standpoint, that makes no sense to me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20364241 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:19:43 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20363171 Jmartz :
said by RemyM See Profile :

said by blacknoi See Profile :

Since QAM is available, why can't they send family cable channels in the clear via digital QAM? They already do this for broadcast basic's SD and HD channels.
With analog they put a trap on the line to prevent basic subs from getting Family Cable channels. However, the only way they can block digital channels from being viewed by basic subs with QAM tuners is by encrypting them.
Cablevision could place all the family cable channels within a specific frequency and put a trap on the line to block those frequencies out. Granted, they wouldn't have to block as many frequencies, since each would take out 10 channels at a time... but they could, if they wanted to, assign the chanels to blocks of frequencies that would coorespond to the various packages.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20363171 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:52:54 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20363027 StreetSpirit :
said by Andvari Anon :

+1 for HBO HD, Sci-Fi HD and History HD.
*sign* +1 for all the above, especially Sci-Fi.


Sci-Fi channel HD would be grand, maybe then I won't have to download x264 720p encodes of Galactica. :) Kidding! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20363027 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:26:01 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362984 Bobcat :
said by majortom1029 See Profile :

said by Bobcat See Profile :

said by HOLLA575 :

Of course you can switch to another provider. They all require a box for every TV. :O)
Which means CV loses its advantage and price becomes the primary factor. I hear that "phone company TV" is cheaper.
It depends on what your getting with fios tv. For me fios tv would be more expensive with having to pay for the hd .
A quick look at the web sites and I see that with 3 boxes, Cablevision would be $76, but FiOS TV would be $61. FiOS would also give me more than double the number of channels for that price.

With 2 HD and 1 standard box, FiOS is still cheaper. With 3 HD boxes, FiOS is only $2 more than CV. And remember, FiOS provides more than twice as many channels at these prices.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362984 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:15:45 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362635 Bobcat :
said by RemyM See Profile :

said by Bobcat See Profile
QAM signals can magically get through a trap?


It's not magic. Analog signals and digital signals are not the same thing.
All signals are analog. Some analog signals encode digital data.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362635 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:04:37 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362526 RemyM :
said by Bobcat See Profile
QAM signals can magically get through a trap?


It's not magic. Analog signals and digital signals are not the same thing. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362526 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:39:07 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362505 majortom1029 :
said by Bobcat See Profile :

said by HOLLA575 :

Of course you can switch to another provider. They all require a box for every TV. :O)
Which means CV loses its advantage and price becomes the primary factor. I hear that "phone company TV" is cheaper.
It depends on what your getting with fios tv. For me fios tv would be more expensive with having to pay for the hd .]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362505 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:32:58 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362306 Bobcat :
said by HOLLA575 :

Of course you can switch to another provider. They all require a box for every TV. :O)
Which means CV loses its advantage and price becomes the primary factor. I hear that "phone company TV" is cheaper.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362306 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:44:37 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362303 Bobcat :
said by RemyM See Profile :

said by blacknoi See Profile :

Since QAM is available, why can't they send family cable channels in the clear via digital QAM? They already do this for broadcast basic's SD and HD channels.
With analog they put a trap on the line to prevent basic subs from getting Family Cable channels. However, the only way they can block digital channels from being viewed by basic subs with QAM tuners is by encrypting them.
QAM signals can magically get through a trap?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362303 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:43:36 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362289 RemyM :
said by blacknoi See Profile :

Since QAM is available, why can't they send family cable channels in the clear via digital QAM? They already do this for broadcast basic's SD and HD channels.
With analog they put a trap on the line to prevent basic subs from getting Family Cable channels. However, the only way they can block digital channels from being viewed by basic subs with QAM tuners is by encrypting them. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362289 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:38:40 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362219 anon : To Bobcat:

Of course you can switch to another provider. They all require a box for every TV. :O)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362219 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:17:47 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362203 anon : To blacknoi:

Because all packages include the Broadcast Basic channels. That is if you have TV service through Cablevision you must have the Broadcast Basic channels. Therefore they are not encrypted. If they sent the Family package unencrypted then people who don't subscribe to the Family package, say people only subscribing to Broadcast Basic, would be able to view the Family package channels with out paying for them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362203 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:15:11 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362128 blacknoi : Since QAM is available, why can't they send family cable channels in the clear via digital QAM? They already do this for broadcast basic's SD and HD channels.

This would make my non-cablecard ready, but QAM enabled HDTV to continue getting these channels w/o any additional equipment?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362128 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:58:16 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362085 Bobcat :
said by RemyM See Profile :

Cablevision is making a choice. Do they keep sending Family Cable channels in analog to keep people with the smallest bills happy, or do they shut them off so they can add more HD channels to keep the customers with the biggest bills happy.

Easy decision.

And if Cablevision makes me get 3 boxes and increases my cable bill by 50% in the process, I have a choice to pay it or to switch to another provider.

Easy decision.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20362085 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:47:53 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361927 RemyM : Cablevision is making a choice. Do they keep sending Family Cable channels in analog to keep people with the smallest bills happy, or do they shut them off so they can add more HD channels to keep the customers with the biggest bills happy.

Easy decision.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361927 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:09:44 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361882 Bobcat :
said by matcarl See Profile :

But you need a box with every TV for Verizon, even for the local stations, or a TV with a QAM tuner.
And if Cablevision requires the same thing, there's no reason to remain a Cablevision customer. Bye-bye.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361882 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:59:14 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361786 matcarl : But you need a box with every TV for Verizon, even for the local stations, or a TV with a QAM tuner.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361786 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:29:22 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361760 Bobcat :
said by RobUsdin :

It's disappointing. Believe it or not, a lot of people - like me - don't have any HD sets and still use plain good old analog cable. I have two sets with S2 Tivos with analog cable and it suits me just fine. The channel removal - even not being blamed on the FCC - is designed to drive customers to the digital cable boxes and in the LONG RUN generate more revenue. That's because once you GET the digital cable box, and get a taste of all those nifty fetures for a year for free, the retention rate is VERY high to stay with it, and it looks like just another cable increase after the free year is up when you get the bill.

I'm just saying....and since the channel cuts are across the board from many different types of channels - it's designed to hit all types of people - especially cartoon network, because a lot folks probably have just an analog connection in the kids' rooms or playrooms.

The good news is that there's a giant orange snake coming out of the ground down the street, and all the underground utilities have been marked, so it looks like FiOS is on the way. The only reason to stay with Cablevision is that I don't need any boxes, so if they change that - bye, bye.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361760 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:19:30 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361689 anon : It's disappointing. Believe it or not, a lot of people - like me - don't have any HD sets and still use plain good old analog cable. I have two sets with S2 Tivos with analog cable and it suits me just fine. The channel removal - even not being blamed on the FCC - is designed to drive customers to the digital cable boxes and in the LONG RUN generate more revenue. That's because once you GET the digital cable box, and get a taste of all those nifty fetures for a year for free, the retention rate is VERY high to stay with it, and it looks like just another cable increase after the free year is up when you get the bill.

I'm just saying....and since the channel cuts are across the board from many different types of channels - it's designed to hit all types of people - especially cartoon network, because a lot folks probably have just an analog connection in the kids' rooms or playrooms.

It's annoying more than anything else.....

--*Rob]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361689 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:52:13 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361528 xirian : I believe on the yahoo groups wilt said its going to be digital but not sdv.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361528 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:12:14 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361522 matcarl : SDV (Switched Digital Video) only works if you have a Cablevision box right now. Currently Tivo doesn't support it, although they plan to soon. If you have a TV with a cable card, you can't pick up the signal. It's just a different way they process the signal, to put it in an easy explanation.
I don't think these channels are going that route, I think they are just being moved to digital.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361522 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:02:21 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361517 Bobcat :
said by mbernste See Profile :

Do we know for sure that these channels are going SDV or are they just going digital? There's a big difference
What's SDV and what's the difference?
--
We messed-up, but we looked great doing it!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361517 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:57:11 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361487 mbernste : I got the card on Saturday. Do we know for sure that these channels are going SDV or are they just going digital? There's a big difference and affects people differently. If it's going SDV, then that really sucks since then my TiVo S3 won't be able to record them. If they're just going digital, like many other channels have done, then it's no big deal if you have a digital cable box or a cable card DVR like I do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361487 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:23:36 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361409 Jmartz :
said by My name is Mudd :

With the potential of this plan to generate many, many millions of dollars over the next three years, what's a few misstatements and inconvenienced customers?
I'm sure someone will sue them at some point. I bet you'll never see MSG or News12 go onto Switched Video -- or better yet, leave analog at all. I'm surprised Cablevision doesn't have MSG and MSG+ on Broadcast Basic service just to stick it to the very successful and highly profitable YES and SNY networks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361409 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:39:35 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361326 anon : ".....low-paid call center reps didn't know how to answer his questions...."

C'mon...call center reps have scripts and are coached before any type of service change is implemented.

And out on the street...Just today as my girl friend had noticed a bunch of Cablevision trucks around lately, she walked over to one of the trucks and asked a line tech "what's up"? He told her [sic] "...it's the FCC thing happening next year. We're going digital". (This lie is how I ended up surfing this issue today.)

So, misinformation is not limited to just the call center reps as it's obvious other Cablevision employees have received the "message" that the FCC is behind this and it's happening next year. That's pure BS.

This is a well planned and targeted effort abusing unknowing customers and blaming the FCC to legitimize Cablevision's untrue statements regarding not only the "need for a digital cable box" but to also push analog channels to SDV for some highly desirable children's, ethnic and sports programming in this area.

With the potential of this plan to generate many, many millions of dollars over the next three years, what's a few misstatements and inconvenienced customers?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20361326 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:32:50 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20357703 Bobcat : I see the letter on the Consumerist site offers the iO Package for free for a year. But CV only offered me the iO Navigation product for free.

I still don't understand why customers can't simply use a digital cable box without being forced to pay more for their cable service, too. I don't want 48 digital music channels, access to on-demand programming, or a searchable channel guide. Just let me use a box (at the inflated rate of $6.50/month) with Family Cable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20357703 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:53:43 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20357582 EO50 : Some jerk over in the Consumerist called Cablevision to complain about the switch of these channels from analog to digital. The low-paid call center reps didn't know how to answer his questions so they incorrectly blamed the FCC analog to digital conversion for over the air-broadcast. Now he says it is some master evil plan from Cablevision simply to get more money and blame the FCC. In reality it is to get more space for HD channels and has nothing to do with the FCC. It was just two reps didn't know what they were talking about and took the easy out....blame someone else.

»consumerist.com/379852/cablevisi···s-thumbs]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20357582 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 04:46:19 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356300 StudioTech : Got the same letter in the mail today as well. Didn't think they'd start this early.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356300 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:41:04 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356285 Bobcat : So ($5.95 + $6.50) / $49.95 = 25% increase in rates after the year is up. No thanks.

EDIT: And if I wanted a box for each of my TVs, it would be a 50% increase in rates.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356285 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:39:39 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356247 matcarl : $5.95]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356247 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:33:26 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356073 Bobcat :
said by blacknoi See Profile :

Mine did not mention a free cablebox for a year.... probably because I rent 1 box .
I have no boxes, just analog and the so-called free digital channels on Broadcast Basic. The Cablevision web site does not list the pricing for the "iO Navigation" product, so I don't know how much extra they'd charge me after the free year was up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20356073 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:48:41 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20355546 blacknoi : Mine did not mention a free cablebox for a year.... probably because I rent 1 box .]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20355546 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:30:36 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20355366 Bobcat : Got this in the mail today (Raritan system). I don't have any boxes now. I don't think I'll go for the free digital box so I won't have to return it in a year. I rarely watch those channels anyway. (Starting May 20th, I won't watch them at all.)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20355366 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:40:10 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20354502 blacknoi : Got a mostly similar flier today (morris county nj).

Mine says almost the same channels, but says by 5/20/08.

Mine mentions TLC, A/E, E!, SciFi, truTV, Animal Planet, Travel Ch, CSpan2 and QVC (moving to channel 75).

CSpan now available to broadcast basic to ch 76.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20354502 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:45:55 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20347615 Jmartz :
said by FattyMagee :

... since the techs are not usually that uninformed.
You don't think so huh?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20347615 Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:27:36 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20347214 anon : Figured as much. I'm pretty sure she just asked them something else other then what she told me or some kind of mix up like that since the techs are not usually that uninformed.

Thank you for the confirmation though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20347214 Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:18:18 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20346715 RickNY :
said by FattyMagee :

When she called up though they told her otherwise, that she was losing all those channels unless she bought an HD TV and upgraded to the HD digital box...
Absolutely no truth to what she was told. Even if it were true, she can use the HD box on a non-HD TV without issue, and its the same price -- its not an "upgrade".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20346715 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:45:41 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20346482 anon : Just got the post card. My mother actually freaked out at it and called up CV because she thought that she wouldn't get those channels anymore on her current set which has a digital box but is not HD, nor is the TV.

When i read the post card it sounds like we will keep getting all the same channels with our current digital box even if we don't get the new HD box. When she called up though they told her otherwise, that she was losing all those channels unless she bought an HD TV and upgraded to the HD digital box...

Anyone know which is true? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be stupid enough to completly remove the channels from non HD users but then again, this is cable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20346482 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:08:53 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20338159 Jmartz : I am very surprised that NBC is allowing them to move SciFi to all digital. You'd think Cablevision could have picked MSNBC, which gets miniscule ratings compared to SciFi.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20338159 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:12:04 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20337875 blacknoi : Bleh! I have an older ReplayTV hooked up to family cable via analog feed.

I will now have to shell out another montly fee to rent an STB to keep getting all the channels I currently have and record (SciFi and E! to name just two from that list).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20337875 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:28:09 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20337859 matcarl : Looks like this project is running from May 13 to June 10. So the other areas will probably get letters about 30 days before their scheduled time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20337859 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:25:35 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326236 jefe : I got the same postcard. Hauppauge system. I don't get too wrapped around the axle about it. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20326236 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:16:16 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20324300 matcarl : Since Brookhaven is the only one reporting it, then I guess that's where Cablevision is starting.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20324300 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:15:25 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20324242 rschimek62 : i don't get this, I never receive a notice that cablevision is eliminating some channels... What is their system, notify some and leave some in the dark... I live in Nassau County, so does this pertain only to Brookhaven system. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20324242 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:58:01 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20324197 RickNY :

Received the same postcard today in the mail, Brookhaven system as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20324197 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:45:18 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20323640 e2727 : And BBC America]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20323640 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:14:49 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20323299 matcarl : Wow thanks jpr281, you are the first to show officially that they are eliminating some analogs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20323299 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:48:34 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20323003 broadband412 : There are quite a few channels I would like to see cablevision add such as discovery health, lifetime movie network, lifetime real women, chiller and some other I can't think of at the moment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20323003 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:27:45 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20322906 UofMiamiGrad :
said by majortom1029 See Profile :

I just saw an ad for voom movies May 1st so does this mean cablevision will be carrying it?
That channel replaces WorldCinema HD! From Satelliteguys:

"In may WorldCinema HD will no longer exists and it will be replace with VOOM HD Movies. Voom HD movies is dedicated to a more type of hollywood type of movies." ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20322906 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:01:39 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20322853 jpr281 : Got this in the mail today. Brookhaven system on Long Island.
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said by majortom1029 See Profile :

I just saw an ad for voom movies May 1st so does this mean cablevision will be carrying it?
Presumably so... but it will probably go onto SDV with the rest of the VOOM channels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20312675 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:47:14 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20311596 majortom1029 : I just saw an ad for voom movies May 1st so does this mean cablevision will be carrying it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20311596 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:03:12 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20305505 RemyM :
said by RARPSL See Profile :

said by RemyM See Profile :

July 2009 is when all new boxes CV provides will be CableCard boxes. By then there could be a bigger market of boxes to buy. Of course if you buy your own box you can't just swap it out for free when it dies.
But will they be able to receive all the channels? There is a problem currently with CableCards in that they are unable to receive channels that are send-on-request (I forget the buzzword) which are only sent IF/WHEN you tune to it and are only sent to nodes where someone is watching that channel.
Of course they will. The M cards are two way. The current limitation on CV is the hardware they are put into. The SA CableCard boxes that other providers are using work fine with SDV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20305505 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:19:20 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20304236 Olias :
said by RARPSL See Profile :

But will they be able to receive all the channels? There is a problem currently with CableCards in that they are unable to receive channels that are send-on-request (I forget the buzzword) which are only sent IF/WHEN you tune to it and are only sent to nodes where someone is watching that channel.
You mean "Switched Digital Video" or SVD.
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When I sleep tonight a dream will call,
And raise it's head in majesty...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20304236 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:13:28 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20304070 RARPSL :
said by RemyM See Profile :

July 2009 is when all new boxes CV provides will be CableCard boxes. By then there could be a bigger market of boxes to buy. Of course if you buy your own box you can't just swap it out for free when it dies.
But will they be able to receive all the channels? There is a problem currently with CableCards in that they are unable to receive channels that are send-on-request (I forget the buzzword) which are only sent IF/WHEN you tune to it and are only sent to nodes where someone is watching that channel.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20304070 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:41:17 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20303954 blacknoi : I already have two tivos (s3 and hd), but I still have other tv's in the house that are analog only.

I would like at least one box that has no montly fee attached to it other than the cablecard fee.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20303954 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:18:23 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20302984 RemyM :
said by blacknoi See Profile :

When will I be able to buy a cable box that I own, and can have a cablecard installed in that box? I do NOT want to rent thier STBs.... but am slowly being forced to.
You can do it right now, it's called a Tivo HD.

July 2009 is when all new boxes CV provides will be CableCard boxes. By then there could be a bigger market of boxes to buy. Of course if you buy your own box you can't just swap it out for free when it dies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20302984 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:12:20 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20302766 blacknoi : Since they appear to be moving to an eventual ALL channels (save broadcast basic 2-13) in the digital tier to reclaim bandwidth:

When will I be able to buy a cable box that I own, and can have a cablecard installed in that box? I do NOT want to rent thier STBs.... but am slowly being forced to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20302766 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:38:33 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20300368 Jalh : i would like to see removed channels in HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20300368 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:21:06 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20298758 sandman9r : It's nice to know that I'm not the only one requesting BBC America.

Top Gear FTW.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20298758 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:55:44 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20298249 anon : +1 for HBO HD, Sci-Fi HD and History HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20298249 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:16:41 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20296845 e2727 : I would love the History HD]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20296845 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:13:07 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20296695 RARPSL :
said by Jmartz See Profile :

So you don't care if Cablevision skips BBC America yet again, as that is one of the channels that is perhaps the most frequently requested channel that we don't have? There are plenty of other SD and HD channels that we do not have, and most of the SD channels have HD counterparts. Would be nice if they could add the SD and HD channels at the same time... like Sleuth SD and Sleuth HD. Chiller SD, Chiller HD, FOX Business SD and FOX Business HD, etc. I believe BBC America is going HD as well, so BBC America SD and BBC America HD would be nice to get. Not to mention CNBC World, Big Ten Network, ESPN-U.
If they do not want to go dedicated on the SD version, why not offer it as Switched Video. I too want BBC America but do not have HD so need it in SD (or I can just swap my 8300 for an 8300HD and continue to use my SD TV since the 8300HD will play the HD shows to a SD TV). The only downside to the 8300->8300HD swap is I need to view or lose the shows I have archived on the DVR which I have not viewed yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20296695 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:45:43 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20296091 mws192 : Don't forget the Cablerant also mentioned earlier that CV was in discussions to get the entire HBO and Cinemax suite of HD channels. That would take up a significant portion, 18 if I'm counting correctly, of the 25 channels if true.

»cablerant.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=561#p1341

+1 for the BigTen Network however unlikely that'd be. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20296091 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:58:36 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295120 Jmartz : So you don't care if Cablevision skips BBC America yet again, as that is one of the channels that is perhaps the most frequently requested channel that we don't have? There are plenty of other SD and HD channels that we do not have, and most of the SD channels have HD counterparts. Would be nice if they could add the SD and HD channels at the same time... like Sleuth SD and Sleuth HD. Chiller SD, Chiller HD, FOX Business SD and FOX Business HD, etc. I believe BBC America is going HD as well, so BBC America SD and BBC America HD would be nice to get. Not to mention CNBC World, Big Ten Network, ESPN-U.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20295120 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:18:42 EDT Re: Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20294838 blackriders : Me too hope it's more HD channels would love History and Discovery HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20294838 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:37:40 EDT Making room for more channels? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20294562 chek_ya_self : According to posts in Cable Rant and Satellite Guys it looks like Cablevision will be cutting some analog channels to add some new channels in bulk.

According to a poster in Cable Rant, Cablevision is looking to cut Analog feeds for:
Some of the channels rumored to be changing are OTB, TLC, Sci-Fi, E!, Animal Planet and the Travel Channel. The transition is expected to start in May.

»www.cablerant.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=646

A poster in Satellite Guys says:
got word from a vp today that cv will be adding approximately 25 channels in bulk within the next coming months.....heres hoping.....and no, i have no idea what they are going to be.

»www.satelliteguys.us/cablevision···-hd.html

Hopefully, since the Voom Channels are going to switched Video and these channels are being moved to digital only, we will see some more channels come in the next few months. I hope they are HD Channels. I don't think we really need more Standard Definition Channels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20294562 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:28:53 EDT