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dadkins
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All traffic?

 
 
Uhm... ok.
Why is it that on Blast 16mbps service I still see 17+mbps download and ~2.2mbps upload consistently?

EDIT: Bolded the question so everyone can see that all I did was ask a simple question.
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Mchart
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Because you have absolutely no idea that forging TCP reset packets has little to do with the charts you posted?

Thats like me trying to argue against global warming and showing you a picture of a bottle of coke.



justbits
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Dadkins, you get this special boost all the time because your connection has been marked as unrestricted, so you can be allowed to do the suspicious activity you've alluded to in past posts. This makes it so the FBI/CIA can more easily track all of your packets without Comcast's filter interfering with their investigation. *snicker*



ptrowski
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said by Mchart:

Because you have absolutely no idea that forging TCP reset packets has little to do with the charts you posted?

Thats like me trying to argue against global warming and showing you a picture of a bottle of coke.
Thanks, I am now wiping Coke off of my computer screen. Too Funny!


Matt3
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Because file downloads and uploads typically only use a single session. The paper states it comes into effect after 100 SYN requests are sent ... so try and download 100 different files within whatever timeframe Comcast has established and you'll get several denied most likely. Good luck with that.



stephenju
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said by Mchart:

Thats like me trying to argue against global warming and showing you a picture of a bottle of coke.
Bad example. See. When it warms up, I tend to drink more coke. So the 2 are really closely related.


Hehe

@ssa.gov

Now I need to pee. Now I know how that is related to global warming.



dadkins
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Whatever you say friend!

Article stated:
"Users may find it extremely difficult to establish new TCP connections while using any application that has a relatively high rate of TCP connection establishment on a Comcast link."

Pretty sure me using FTP is a TCP type of transfer, no?

So, *IF* Comcast is "Forging Packets For All TCP Traffic" then my FTP would be hosed, right?
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Mchart
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Unless you are running an astronomically high amount of connections over that same port, you would not see any issues. My best guess is that you were running no more then 10 simultaneous connections off of that FTP server. Probably only 1.

Maybe next time bub.



dadkins
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"Surprisingly, this traffic shaping even disrupts normal web browsing and e-mail applications..."

How many people are going to be surfing or checking email and pulling 100 requests?
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dadkins
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Article Headline:

"Comcast Now Forging Packets For All TCP Traffic?"

[Bold mine]

"Surprisingly, this traffic shaping even disrupts normal web browsing and e-mail applications..."

Ok, when you surf, are you pulling ?hundreds? of connections over one port?
When you check your email... are you trouncing a single port with "astronomically high amount of connections"?

I merely asked a question... no need to get snippy, is there?
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dadkins
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LMAO!
Wish I could see my file they have, ya know?

Lots of lost/forgotten pron links in there I bet!
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Mchart
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reply to dadkins
Most internet browsing clients typically only open at most 2 connections to the server over port 80 or 8080 for HTTP by default.

When downloading e-mail from a typical pop3 server only 1 connection is opened.

You would however see issues if you allready had a bittorrent protocol using application up and running on your computer drawing more then 100 connections, thus the pop3 packets may basically get rejected by error of generalization.

Of course, none of this has to do with you showing a bandwidth chart.



Mchart
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reply to dadkins
Anyone running multiple clients, running a server, or do anything more then comcast deems more then a fart.



dadkins
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Surfing and email?
Like I said, I was just asking... No call for you remarks.

Re read the article itself.
The article states that even web surfing and email may get disrupted... if what you say is true, then these people that wrote this paper are high, huh?
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dadkins
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said by Mchart:

Anyone running multiple clients, running a server, or do anything more then comcast deems more then a fart.
Well, then WTF is with this article friend?

Servers are a no-no on comcast, remember?

You just want to argue, don't you?

Sad.
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Mchart
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I'm arguing with you because you seem to think that by presenting a chart of your bandwidth that means something to the news article. Like I said, it doesn't. It has little meaning, if any, to the present issue at hand, and the entire reason you made your original comment was so you could show everyone how cool you are with your m@d powerboost bandwidth that lasts 30 seconds, and how you beleive the news articles presented issue, is not affecting you.
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Mchart
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reply to dadkins
The sad part is how you still beleive a chart showing your bandwidth to a FTP server has anything to do with the article.



Mchart
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reply to dadkins
And so what does a chart showing bandwidth have to do with a TCP reset event, besides showing a total drop in bandwidth?



Matt3
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reply to dadkins

said by dadkins:

Like I said, I was just asking... No call for you remarks.

Re read the article itself.
The article states that even web surfing and email may get disrupted... if what you say is true, then these people that wrote this paper are high, huh?
No, TCP operates at Layer 4, HTTP and POP3 (SMTP, FTP, Bitorrent, etc) operate at Layer 7. So, ANY protocol that opens more than 100 SYN (it's TCP that does this) requests, whether it be HTTP, POP3, SMTP, will be denied.

All they are stating is that Comcast is not only forging TCP RST packets for Bitorrent (Layer 7), but for EVERY application layer (Layer 7) protocol once 100 TCP sessions have been established.

Your FTP file transfer only uses a single (that's 1) session, not matter how fast it's transferring.

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