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jc100

join:2002-04-10

Goes to show

That it can be done... even in rural America. Now other ISPS can get off their butts about the challenges and the impossibilities of serving said people. As for those that say it is less profitable, that is understood. However, innovation has to start somewhere and internet has the possibility to bring companies to rural areas. These are the places that often need them the most.

Austinloop

join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX
kudos:1

Especially with a federal loan program!!!!


nasadude

join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD

reply to jc100
the incumbents could care less about rural areas - not a high enough return on investment.

and when you are a monopoly/oligopoly, you demand quite a high rate of return.



pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD

reply to jc100

said by jc100:

That it can be done... even in rural America.
I'll be more impressed if it can be done without taxpayer money.
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This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate!

Nuts

join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH

On one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, Verizon charges me $15 a month for a phone line. With all of their fees, it comes to over $25/month, the extra money their sending out of state. At least with the Fed loan program, these folks are getting some of their money back.



en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

reply to nasadude
You had better believe it.

W/O regulation, make as much profit as possible is the name of the game. When there's little competition, such as an oligopoly, both can raise rates almost as high (possibly higher) than without competition and regulation.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD

reply to Nuts

said by Nuts:

... Verizon charges me $15 a month for a phone line. With all of their fees, it comes to over $25/month ...
Compared to what Verizon charges in other states, that's nothing. If I ever get a landline again, I would hope it could be that cheap.
said by Nuts:

At least with the Fed loan program, these folks are getting some of their money back.
I wouldn't say that a loan is a way of "getting money back!"
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This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate!


BF69
Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

reply to pnh102

said by pnh102:

said by jc100:

That it can be done... even in rural America.
I'll be more impressed if it can be done without taxpayer money.
It's not costing the taxpayers anything. It's a LOAN. Meaning they have to pay it back, with INTEREST. I suggest untying the knot in your panties.


sporkme
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join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
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reply to pnh102

said by pnh102:

said by jc100:

That it can be done... even in rural America.
I'll be more impressed if it can be done without taxpayer money.
I'd be more impressed if Ma Bell never took any government $$ to build out their original deployment.


pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD

reply to BF69

said by BF69:

It's not costing the taxpayers anything. It's a LOAN. Meaning they have to pay it back, with INTEREST.
Then why couldn't the phone company get a private loan?
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This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate!


pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD

reply to sporkme

said by sporkme:

I'd be more impressed if Ma Bell never took any government $$ to build out their original deployment.
They never did. Any "tax money" that went to deployments was dutifully paid into the USF by customers of Ma Bell.
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This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate!


BF69
Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

said by pnh102:

said by sporkme:

I'd be more impressed if Ma Bell never took any government $$ to build out their original deployment.
They never did. Any "tax money" that went to deployments was dutifully paid into the USF by customers of Ma Bell.
boy you sure are ingorant.


insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN

reply to pnh102
Whats wrong with the government providing low interest loans to help expand America's infrastructure?



mod_wastrel
Gone fishin'

join:2008-03-28

reply to Nuts
Well, for the most part, you can thank Congress and the FCC for the additional fees and surcharges. (Of course, $6+ for a dial tone? Sheesh!)

It is nice, though, to see the loan program actually being used for the purpose for which it was intended instead of being used for build-outs in those luxury home developments again.


hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

reply to BF69
i thought the USF came well after Bell network.



BF69
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

said by hottboiinnc:

i thought the USF came well after Bell network.
the USF was created in 1997. How did Ma bell expand to everywhere from 1876-1996? With help form the government.


dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4

reply to nasadude

said by nasadude:

the incumbents could care less about rural areas - not a high enough return on investment.

and when you are a monopoly/oligopoly, you demand quite a high rate of return.
Then why doesn't phoenix have FTTH?
oh wait! we are a QWEST territory. . . . .
nevermind
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD

reply to BF69

said by BF69:

boy you sure are ingorant.
Yawn. Can you prove me wrong.
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This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate!


pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD

reply to insomniac84

said by insomniac84:

Whats wrong with the government providing low interest loans to help expand America's infrastructure?
Because government is not supposed to function like a bank, regardless of all the talk of bailing out everyone that is going around these days.

Why should I as a taxpayer have to hold the bag for some private company's financial risk-taking? Maybe I should call my Congressman and ask for my free house too.
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This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate!

hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

reply to pnh102
Yes. Telephones were everywhere before 1997 when the USF was created


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