SLinG
join:2002-07-30
Oklahoma City, OK
| [southwest] New Install Scheduled, I have some concerns though..
I have some questions. Right now I have cable internet from Time Warner, I connect my cable modem via ethernet to my Cisco 2851 router. From looking at a friend's setup and his trouble, I'm seeing that this might be a problem with the new actiontec router that they're using (which my sales rep knew NOTHING about).
I have a few options, I really don't care to double NAT with the actiontec and Cisco. What I'm thinking is that I can request that they run cat5 from the ONT to my router (both in the garage, 15 ft patch, which I'll request anyway, so I can patch it in on a panel, not a bare wire run like coax would be) but I'm not sure what that will do to my VOD, or if it would even work since I guess it take the NIM that's in the actiontec out of the picture.
With the performance issues I keep reading about on the actiontec I really don't want it in my data network.
What about buying a NIM100 on ebay? That would get me right where I want to be but I don't want to get one and find out that I can't use it.
Anyway the goal here is to not have a POS router between my high end equipment and my high end connection. That makes sense to me  |
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Fireguyy
VZ Fiber Net Tech
join:2006-10-01
NJ | Re: [southwest] New Install Scheduled, I have some concerns thou
Not sure that the NIM will work, technically it should. Your on your own though if you have trouble and need to call verizon though. |
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SLinG
join:2002-07-30
Oklahoma City, OK | I don't mind being on my own for tech support, so long as I keep the actiontec so I can connect if for troubleshooting I would think I would be ok. What I need to figure out is that first part, with the ebay'd NIM and if it would work or not. |
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Fireguyy
VZ Fiber Net Tech
join:2006-10-01
NJ | There's no way to gaurantee it would work, but technically it should. |
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SLinG
join:2002-07-30
Oklahoma City, OK
| This might be a little off topic, but if I get the tech to install cat5 from the ONT to my Cisco router, would there be any need for the NIM at all, providing I could simulate the routing/IP addressing that the NIM does with my cisco router? I know that's digging a little deep but the router can obviously do about anything you'd like....including QoS and DHCP. |
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Fireguyy
VZ Fiber Net Tech
join:2006-10-01
NJ | reply to SLinG
You could but your set top boxes won't get the channel guide or on demand features. That's why you need the NIM. The cable boxes get their ip addresses and guide data from the router. |
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SLinG
join:2002-07-30
Oklahoma City, OK
| that's what I'm getting at. What's that actiontec doing as far as routing that my cisco couldn't do? Are we talking about super secret stuff or somthing I could replicate with my equipment? Is it something that has to be done with the NIM or is the NIM only needed for flipping from coax to ethernet? I understand the NIM is doing routing/ip addressing but that could be done on a cisco router if you knew what the NIM was responsible for doing couldn't it?
I'm still doing some searching on here and finding some tidbits here and there....so far I don't see anyone that has the exact setup I want, but I do have a friend with the NIM to Cisco 2851 setup and that's working good, I just want to see if the 2851 can also do what the NIM is doing, if you went ethernet from ONT to router. |
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Ask for the Actiontec data to be connected via cat5. Let the installer hook up the video the way he normally would.
After he's gone, connect your cisco to the ethernet, then hang the actiontec off the cisco. Double NAT for VOD and guide data is no big deal. I have mine set up this way.
Cat5 from ONT to DLink DIR-655 WAN.
Cat5 from DLink LAN to Actiontec WAN.
Make sure the LAN addresses don't conflict. DLink is 192.168.0.1, Actiontec is 192.168.1.1 |
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Fireguyy
VZ Fiber Net Tech
join:2006-10-01
NJ | reply to SLinG
No secret you just need some way to get data to your Set tops over the coax unless you want to run cat 5 to each set top. This is what the NIM is doing for you. |
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SLinG
join:2002-07-30
Oklahoma City, OK | reply to birdfeedr
That's a good idea actually.....
I'm already using 192.168.100.X so hopefully that works. If I have to re-ip it's not a big deal. |
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More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
 ·Bay Area Internet ..
| reply to Fireguyy
said by Fireguyy  :No secret you just need some way to get data to your Set tops over the coax unless you want to run cat 5 to each set top. This is what the NIM is doing for you. The OP did not say anything about FiOS-TV. Without FiOS-TV he has no need for either the Actiontec or a NIM.
Even if he is getting FiOS-TV now, or in the future, with a cat-5 connection to the ONT, he can put the Actiontec behind his Cisco for VOD and Guide data.
BTW, there is no point in running cat-5 for the STB's. The SD STBs don't have an RJ45 connector and the one on the HD boxes is not enabled. |
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More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
| reply to SLinG
said by SLinG :What's that actiontec doing as far as routing that my cisco couldn't doesn't do? Besides cause headaches due to POS firmware? Nothing.
said by SLinG :Is it something that has to be done with the NIM or is the NIM only needed for flipping from coax to ethernet? I understand the NIM is doing routing/ip addressing but that could be done on a cisco router The NIM is ONLY used as a media converter between coax (MOCA) and ethernet. It does NOT do routing or IP addressing. Before VZ switched to the Actiontec, they installed a D-LINK router together with the NIM. The Actiontec combines both functions.
SUGGESTION Because VZ's standard practice is now coax only installs, run the patch cable ahead of time to where the ONT be. |
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FiberTechV
join:2005-11-30
Elizabeth, PA
·Verizon Online DSL
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said by Fireguyy :No secret you just need some way to get data to your Set tops over the coax unless you want to run cat 5 to each set top. This is what the NIM is doing for you. What? Guide and VOD does not come from the router. the router is necessary so the STBs can access the Verizon guide and VOD server via the internet.
SLING,
The NIM also provides for a MOCA LAN so the STBs can talk to each other. I am not sure if you could replicate all of that in the Cisco. The STBs talk to each other via the 169.xxx.xxx.xxx IP addressing scheme, but they talk to the router via 192.168.1.100-199. The .100+ range has been allocated for STBs. If you have other devices assigned static IPs in the .100 range you will have several conflicts and issue. |
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Spensergig
Threadkiller Supreme
Premium,MVM
join:2000-03-26
Bradenton, FL
| reply to SLinG
I have the actiontec installed behind my linux router.
I took the real WAN address for my linux box, and am assigning the actiontec one in the 192.168.102.xx range, along with my desktops, laptops, and printers.
Seems to be working just fine. |
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Hajman
join:2001-12-17
Phoenixville, PA
3 edits | reply to FiberTechV
said by FiberTechV :The STBs talk to each other via the 169.xxx.xxx.xxx IP addressing scheme, but they talk to the router via 192.168.1.100-199. The .100+ range has been allocated for STBs. If you have other devices assigned static IPs in the .100 range you will have several conflicts and issue. Actually, the STBs are just setup as DHCP clients. I know this for a fact because I am provisioned using ethernet, I use my own router (a Dlink DGL-4300) and have configured the router to hand out predefined IP addresses on the basis of the device's MAC address. The STBs will take whatever IP address I choose for it.
To the extent that you are correct about the range, I think that the Actiontec and other Verizon supplied routers are simply coded to give IP addresses to the STBs in the ranges you quote.
To the OP, I agree that double NATing of VOD and guide data should not be an issue. That said, ethernet provisioning to your own router together with a NIM is a cleaner install |
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