hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....
Ohh come on! Give me a break.
They may have fiber in their network, but it does not go to the house and it does nothing like FIOS.
You love stretching the truth, huh?
and let me guess, you work in the bullshit errrrr... i mean marketing department i bet.
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probboy
join:2008-01-10
Natick, MA | For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
| said by probboy  :For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. \
then why would TW go to the extent to claim they have fiber if only 99.999999% of users dont care?
I see what you are saying, but it's nothing but bullshit when TW is trying to compare themselves to FIOS.
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hottboiinnc
Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
 ·buckeye cable
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network doesnt have to have fiber to their door. The ad states that TWC has more fiber- does not state anything about going to the door. They're entire nationwide backbone all the way up to the neighborhoods are fiber optic. which is truth in advertising. VZ didnt start this until a few years ago- and then did it wall the way. |
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
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| reply to probboy
said by probboy :For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. What a loaded statement. Of course they don't care about the logistics, but what those logistics translate to are exactly what people care about. The further away from the home the fiber terminates, the more crowded the copper network and the harder it is to reliably provide feature-rich services. |
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
·ViaTalk
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :network doesnt have to have fiber to their door. The ad states that TWC has more fiber- does not state anything about going to the door. They're entire nationwide backbone all the way up to the neighborhoods are fiber optic. which is truth in advertising. VZ didnt start this until a few years ago- and then did it wall the way. About 10 years ago, having a all-fiber nationwide backbone was a big deal (think @Home) but it's 2008 and everyone rides fiber backbones, just not necessarily owned by their provider. The mis-information here is how accessible is that fiber. The average college kid would love a bargain on a keg of beer, but how do you think he/she would feel if you told them they had to drink it through a stirrer straw? |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :network doesnt have to have fiber to their door. The ad states that TWC has more fiber- does not state anything about going to the door. They're entire nationwide backbone all the way up to the neighborhoods are fiber optic. which is truth in advertising. VZ didnt start this until a few years ago- and then did it wall the way. But the reason for TW to advertise their "fiber" network is to try to compare to FIOS.
Yes, they may have fiber in their system, but then again you can not compare TWs fiber to FIOS.
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
| reply to probboy
I would disagree with that. While they do not care how it gets to them, they do care how often there is a problem. In all the years I have had cable internet (beta tester for it years ago) through all the companies (some went bankrupt or bought out and I move a lot) the vast majority of failures were between me and the headend. Usually a noisy line due to hardware failure between me and the headend. FTTH should eliminate the vast majority of those issues. It is very likely that moving to Docsis 3.0 will probably exacerbate these issues further (based on the history that every time speed increases the specs tighten for "good signal"). From that perspective I think upgrading to Docsis 3.0 is probably throwing good money after bad. |
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smcallah
join:2004-08-05
Home
| said by Lazlow :the vast majority of failures were between me and the headend. Usually a noisy line due to hardware failure between me and the headend. FTTH should eliminate the vast majority of those issues How exactly would FTTH eliminate problems between you and the headend/CO? It's not like the fiber goes straight to the Verizon CO with no equipment on it.
The problems will be in the same place, between you and the headend. Fiber is not immune to signal issues either, just outside interference issues. |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
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join:2001-10-05
West Chester, PA
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said by hopeflicker :said by probboy :For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. \ then why would TW go to the extent to claim they have fiber if only 99.999999% of users dont care? I see what you are saying, but it's nothing but bullshit when TW is trying to compare themselves to FIOS. You don't understand basic marketing tactics do you? TW's ad is a direct result of FIOS ads which are designed to tell the public "fiber is better". Sadly the majority of consumers in this country are not knowledgeable on most tech subjects and believe whatever they are told.
If FIOS didn't have ads touting fiber as the godsend of the internet then TW wouldn't have to tout the fact that their network contains more of this magical substance in their commercials.
It's not bullshit at all. TW's network contains more fiber. It's a 100% factual statement.
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | reply to smcallah
Fiber is far more robust than copper. While it is not without problems they are far fewer than copper. They are not nearly as susceptible to temperature and environment changes. There is a reason that even the cable companies use Fiber. It works. |
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Answer Guy
join:2006-07-28
Grass Lake, MI
 ·Alltel Axess
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Maybe I'm being to obvious with this statment. Perhaps you can show us some information on how you arrived at a conclusion that TW has more fiber than Verizon. You do realize that TW is not in the same league when it comes to fiber route miles when going against Verizon and AT&T. |
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nitzan
join:2008-02-27
·Comcast
·ViaTalk
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said by Qumahlin :TW's ad is a direct result of FIOS ads which are designed to tell the public "fiber is better". Sadly the majority of consumers in this country are not knowledgeable on most tech subjects and believe whatever they are told. Fiber is better. I've had Fios for a couple of years in one of my homes at the 15mb/2mb tier and trust me - it's faster than TW Cable ANY day. You could seriously run a production server off that thing. (we don't...)
The only cable broadband to even get close to the speed and reliability I got from Fios is RCN Cable up in NYC. Those guys rock. As far as TW Cable? they're the worst cable company I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with when it comes to performance - their service crawls. Only Comcast can compete with them for the prestigious spot of #1 sucky ISP. 
Seriously though, Verizon totally sucks when it comes to billing, and probably a lot of other aspects too.. but when it comes to delivering fast internet service I have nothing but good things to say. Also- you can be sure that when the guys up at TW decide to start capping high usage users, Verizon will be there to scoop the customers up!
Did I mention I hate Verizon's billing department yet??
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
·Comcast
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said by hopeflicker :said by probboy :For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. \ then why would TW go to the extent to claim they have fiber if only 99.999999% of users dont care? I see what you are saying, but it's nothing but bullshit when TW is trying to compare themselves to FIOS. Another VZ fanboy/troll  .. Ok sorry.. But VZ's deployment of FIOS is isn't something to brage about. Ok, it's in Podoke NJ or another market that has been and still is mostly VZ. They could spend 20 billion and still scratch the market. WHY? Because they don't have the balls to see it through (sounds like Sprint). In my area, I have Comcast, WOW and AT&T offering cable/internet service. Thinkt he fastest is 10mbps but doesn't really matter. If I want TRUE digital HD tv, I'll go get a dish and slap in on my roof. If I want fast internet.. for some of us who have been living in the 4-8mbps range, 15 sounds good but since it's from VZ.. I'll pass and live with my comcrap service that makes me happy so far. Yes that's right. I'm not a VZ fan. Wireless, LL or cable/HSI.. I've worked with MANY VZ co techs in the past so based on how they do buisness, the company just isn't worth the time of day. JMO.. |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
| reply to Qumahlin
said by Qumahlin :said by hopeflicker :said by probboy :For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. \ then why would TW go to the extent to claim they have fiber if only 99.999999% of users dont care? I see what you are saying, but it's nothing but bullshit when TW is trying to compare themselves to FIOS. You don't understand basic marketing tactics do you? TW's ad is a direct result of FIOS ads which are designed to tell the public "fiber is better". Sadly the majority of consumers in this country are not knowledgeable on most tech subjects and believe whatever they are told. If FIOS didn't have ads touting fiber as the godsend of the internet then TW wouldn't have to tout the fact that their network contains more of this magical substance in their commercials. It's not bullshit at all. TW's network contains more fiber. It's a 100% factual statement. no, it's your typical misleading marketing bullshit. TW is comparing their fiber to Verizon. They are basically saying "hey, look! we have fiber too. Sign up today"
nothing but misleading BS!
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Technogeez
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join:2007-01-20 | reply to Qumahlin
But not an inch of it goes right to someone's house.
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Technogeez
Misanthropic curmudgeon
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join:2007-01-20 | reply to tc1uscg
You apparently haven't experienced the joys of weather-related satellite service interruptions...
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Technogeez
Misanthropic curmudgeon
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join:2007-01-20 | reply to kyler13
He'd say "pass the straw, please." |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to nitzan
said by nitzan :The only cable broadband to even get close to the speed and reliability I got from Fios is RCN Cable up in NYC. Those guys rock. As far as TW Cable? they're the worst cable company I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with when it comes to performance - their service crawls. Only Comcast can compete with them for the prestigious spot of #1 sucky ISP. RCN is better because they have a higher node density/less people on each node. Their network was HFC from day 1. Not retrofitted like TWC. Also RCN built their network as a Metro Ethernet provider with the expectation of being able to be a business grade last mile provider. If I can Verizon I would have bought RCN, rebranded, and slowly upgraded to a PON architecture. RCN has lots of spare fiber, I see Toilet Paper roll thick fiber on poles in NYC. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to smcallah
said by smcallah :said by Lazlow :the vast majority of failures were between me and the headend. Usually a noisy line due to hardware failure between me and the headend. FTTH should eliminate the vast majority of those issues How exactly would FTTH eliminate problems between you and the headend/CO? It's not like the fiber goes straight to the Verizon CO with no equipment on it. The problems will be in the same place, between you and the headend. Fiber is not immune to signal issues either, just outside interference issues. Um, there is nothing in between you and the head end except for welded splices and 1 optical splitter. With HFC, DC power injectors, a fiber node, 2-10 amplifiers, 100s of taps and threaded connectors waiting to rust and get rained on. Wanna play copper last mile roulette? |
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