probboy
join:2008-01-10
Natick, MA | reply to hopeflicker
Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....
For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
| said by probboy  :For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. \
then why would TW go to the extent to claim they have fiber if only 99.999999% of users dont care?
I see what you are saying, but it's nothing but bullshit when TW is trying to compare themselves to FIOS.
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
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said by probboy :For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. What a loaded statement. Of course they don't care about the logistics, but what those logistics translate to are exactly what people care about. The further away from the home the fiber terminates, the more crowded the copper network and the harder it is to reliably provide feature-rich services. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
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I would disagree with that. While they do not care how it gets to them, they do care how often there is a problem. In all the years I have had cable internet (beta tester for it years ago) through all the companies (some went bankrupt or bought out and I move a lot) the vast majority of failures were between me and the headend. Usually a noisy line due to hardware failure between me and the headend. FTTH should eliminate the vast majority of those issues. It is very likely that moving to Docsis 3.0 will probably exacerbate these issues further (based on the history that every time speed increases the specs tighten for "good signal"). From that perspective I think upgrading to Docsis 3.0 is probably throwing good money after bad. |
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smcallah
join:2004-08-05
Home
| said by Lazlow :the vast majority of failures were between me and the headend. Usually a noisy line due to hardware failure between me and the headend. FTTH should eliminate the vast majority of those issues How exactly would FTTH eliminate problems between you and the headend/CO? It's not like the fiber goes straight to the Verizon CO with no equipment on it.
The problems will be in the same place, between you and the headend. Fiber is not immune to signal issues either, just outside interference issues. |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
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said by hopeflicker :said by probboy :For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. \ then why would TW go to the extent to claim they have fiber if only 99.999999% of users dont care? I see what you are saying, but it's nothing but bullshit when TW is trying to compare themselves to FIOS. You don't understand basic marketing tactics do you? TW's ad is a direct result of FIOS ads which are designed to tell the public "fiber is better". Sadly the majority of consumers in this country are not knowledgeable on most tech subjects and believe whatever they are told.
If FIOS didn't have ads touting fiber as the godsend of the internet then TW wouldn't have to tout the fact that their network contains more of this magical substance in their commercials.
It's not bullshit at all. TW's network contains more fiber. It's a 100% factual statement.
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | reply to smcallah
Fiber is far more robust than copper. While it is not without problems they are far fewer than copper. They are not nearly as susceptible to temperature and environment changes. There is a reason that even the cable companies use Fiber. It works. |
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Answer Guy
join:2006-07-28
Grass Lake, MI
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Maybe I'm being to obvious with this statment. Perhaps you can show us some information on how you arrived at a conclusion that TW has more fiber than Verizon. You do realize that TW is not in the same league when it comes to fiber route miles when going against Verizon and AT&T. |
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nitzan
Premium,VIP
join:2008-02-27
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said by Qumahlin :TW's ad is a direct result of FIOS ads which are designed to tell the public "fiber is better". Sadly the majority of consumers in this country are not knowledgeable on most tech subjects and believe whatever they are told. Fiber is better. I've had Fios for a couple of years in one of my homes at the 15mb/2mb tier and trust me - it's faster than TW Cable ANY day. You could seriously run a production server off that thing. (we don't...)
The only cable broadband to even get close to the speed and reliability I got from Fios is RCN Cable up in NYC. Those guys rock. As far as TW Cable? they're the worst cable company I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with when it comes to performance - their service crawls. Only Comcast can compete with them for the prestigious spot of #1 sucky ISP. 
Seriously though, Verizon totally sucks when it comes to billing, and probably a lot of other aspects too.. but when it comes to delivering fast internet service I have nothing but good things to say. Also- you can be sure that when the guys up at TW decide to start capping high usage users, Verizon will be there to scoop the customers up!
Did I mention I hate Verizon's billing department yet??
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
1 edit | reply to hopeflicker
said by hopeflicker :said by probboy :For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. \ then why would TW go to the extent to claim they have fiber if only 99.999999% of users dont care? I see what you are saying, but it's nothing but bullshit when TW is trying to compare themselves to FIOS. Another VZ fanboy/troll  .. Ok sorry.. But VZ's deployment of FIOS is isn't something to brage about. Ok, it's in Podoke NJ or another market that has been and still is mostly VZ. They could spend 20 billion and still scratch the market. WHY? Because they don't have the balls to see it through (sounds like Sprint). In my area, I have Comcast, WOW and AT&T offering cable/internet service. Thinkt he fastest is 10mbps but doesn't really matter. If I want TRUE digital HD tv, I'll go get a dish and slap in on my roof. If I want fast internet.. for some of us who have been living in the 4-8mbps range, 15 sounds good but since it's from VZ.. I'll pass and live with my comcrap service that makes me happy so far. Yes that's right. I'm not a VZ fan. Wireless, LL or cable/HSI.. I've worked with MANY VZ co techs in the past so based on how they do buisness, the company just isn't worth the time of day. JMO.. |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
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said by Qumahlin :said by hopeflicker :said by probboy :For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. \ then why would TW go to the extent to claim they have fiber if only 99.999999% of users dont care? I see what you are saying, but it's nothing but bullshit when TW is trying to compare themselves to FIOS. You don't understand basic marketing tactics do you? TW's ad is a direct result of FIOS ads which are designed to tell the public "fiber is better". Sadly the majority of consumers in this country are not knowledgeable on most tech subjects and believe whatever they are told. If FIOS didn't have ads touting fiber as the godsend of the internet then TW wouldn't have to tout the fact that their network contains more of this magical substance in their commercials. It's not bullshit at all. TW's network contains more fiber. It's a 100% factual statement. no, it's your typical misleading marketing bullshit. TW is comparing their fiber to Verizon. They are basically saying "hey, look! we have fiber too. Sign up today"
nothing but misleading BS!
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Technogeez
Gone but not forgetting
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join:2007-01-20 | reply to Qumahlin
But not an inch of it goes right to someone's house.
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Technogeez
Gone but not forgetting
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join:2007-01-20 | reply to tc1uscg
You apparently haven't experienced the joys of weather-related satellite service interruptions...
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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said by nitzan :The only cable broadband to even get close to the speed and reliability I got from Fios is RCN Cable up in NYC. Those guys rock. As far as TW Cable? they're the worst cable company I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with when it comes to performance - their service crawls. Only Comcast can compete with them for the prestigious spot of #1 sucky ISP. RCN is better because they have a higher node density/less people on each node. Their network was HFC from day 1. Not retrofitted like TWC. Also RCN built their network as a Metro Ethernet provider with the expectation of being able to be a business grade last mile provider. If I can Verizon I would have bought RCN, rebranded, and slowly upgraded to a PON architecture. RCN has lots of spare fiber, I see Toilet Paper roll thick fiber on poles in NYC. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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said by smcallah :said by Lazlow :the vast majority of failures were between me and the headend. Usually a noisy line due to hardware failure between me and the headend. FTTH should eliminate the vast majority of those issues How exactly would FTTH eliminate problems between you and the headend/CO? It's not like the fiber goes straight to the Verizon CO with no equipment on it. The problems will be in the same place, between you and the headend. Fiber is not immune to signal issues either, just outside interference issues. Um, there is nothing in between you and the head end except for welded splices and 1 optical splitter. With HFC, DC power injectors, a fiber node, 2-10 amplifiers, 100s of taps and threaded connectors waiting to rust and get rained on. Wanna play copper last mile roulette? |
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smcallah
join:2004-08-05
Home
| said by patcat88 :[Um, there is nothing in between you and the head end except for welded splices and 1 optical splitter. With HFC, DC power injectors, a fiber node, 2-10 amplifiers, 100s of taps and threaded connectors waiting to rust and get rained on. Wanna play copper last mile roulette? I don't get your point. You act as if when something in the cable plant breaks that they won't fix it. How exactly is it playing roulette if they're going to fix it?
"Oh, that tap doesn't work anymore? Just leave it, those people can do without TV, Phone, and Internet, who cares?"
No, they don't care about the revenue at all, they'll let everything break and not fix it... |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
| smcallah
The problem comes in that it is apparently exceedingly difficult for them to track down what exactly (of the above list) is causing the problem. In the last two years I have been down for over a month on three different occasions. It is always a trivial thing(last time it was a cracked line right next to the amp) that is broken and is easy to fix(once they FINALLY figure out what is broken). It usually takes about ten (10) visits from low level techs in order to get a senior tech (they used to call them line techs) out. That amounts to ten(10) afternoons I have to take off from work to wait for them to show up (if they show up). In this last round they wanted to charge me for a service call for not being home (which I was). Fortunately the tech they sent could not describe my house. It also did not hurt that I was on the phone with my Corporate Escalation rep asking her WTF the tech was.
Sorry about the rant. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to smcallah
So whats all this »www.kramerfirm.com/pictures/thum···?album=2 ? |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
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No, I haven't.. but there are 2 on top of homes right next door to me. The one guy has his on his 1st level roof, said he had some "jitters" during a windy storm (lots of trees that could have caused this). The other guy, had it for 3 years said he's never had anything go wrong except when his tuner failed. I'm sure that short of a flock of 747's flying over or some squirrel parking is big fat butt in front of the LNB device, signal dropouts seem to be few if not far far between. Heck, I'm sure it's more reliable then my VoIP service I had with plutorocket (aka sunrocket).  |
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smcallah
join:2004-08-05
Home
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Lazy and unsupervised technicians obviously.
Are you trying to imply such a thing wouldn't happen with Verizon? Be real.
I'm neither for cable or telco here, I'm just being realistic. Both have their faults, but neither one as a whole is stupid.
You can't fault an entire company for what a few soon to be unemployed or currently unemployed techs do. And that is my point. |
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