bent
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Maybe when mommy and daddy actually have to pay for juniors file stealing, it'll slow down. |
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BosstonesOwn
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| said by bent  :Maybe when mommy and daddy actually have to pay for juniors file stealing, it'll slow down. That is the dumbest quote EVER. Are you just trying to troll ?
That is a blanket statement that doesn't cover a majority of the industry.
Video on demand sites like netflix , will be killed by this move , Directv on demand will be killed , streaming music will be killed. Helping the linux community will be killed youtube , myspace , flickr , sectionz , hitz , even AOL.
Do you think before you speak ? It's not all theft like you and your ilk like to forecast.
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ptrowski
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said by bent :Maybe when mommy and daddy actually have to pay for juniors file stealing, it'll slow down. Please. Try using VoIP, a Wii, Xbox Live, maybe download a few movies via the Xbox and Netflix, 3 computers and an ITouch on a network downloading from iTunes. We don't do anything illegal like you state, and we burn through quite a bit of bandwidth per month, sometimes close to 60 gigs or more.
So we are not file stealing as you put it and use alot of bandwidth. That is becoming the norm as more and more products are connected to the internet.
So are you going to tell us to stop also?
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EchoD
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Certainly. But what of legitimate large file transfers? Purchased music and video, purchased software downloads, open source software, and streaming media?
This seems more about milking the customer than slowing piracy.
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bent
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I suppose you'd also like a bottomless tank of gas for your SUV for one flat price every month? |
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bent
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| reply to BosstonesOwn
Stating an unpopular opinion isn't trolling, it's opening up discussion.
The vast majority of internet users aren't anywhere near 50 or 60 gigs a month, much less the 100 gigs in a month that might get you in dutch with your ISP currently. Maybe those that are in those upper reaches of data consumption should pay a premium?
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Luker3
join:2004-10-09
Blacksburg, VA | reply to bent
YES! I do want a flat rate for gas! Then I could drive all day non-stop. |
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fuziwuzi
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join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA | reply to bent
You waste a lot of bandwidth delivering non sequiturs and baseless trolling. You must be one of those neo-Luddite's who think the internet should only be for your personal email and browsing static web pages. Sorry, but it isn't 1994 anymore. |
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Frank
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| reply to bent
said by bent :I suppose you'd also like a bottomless tank of gas for your SUV for one flat price every month? gasoline is an exhaustible resource just like electricity. internet and media is not. you dont see the cable company billing you based upon how many hours your cablebox was turned on do you?
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Frank
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| reply to bent
Re: Good.
said by bent :Stating an unpopular opinion isn't trolling, it's opening up discussion. The vast majority of internet users aren't anywhere near 50 or 60 gigs a month, much less the 100 gigs in a month that might get you in dutch with your ISP currently. Maybe those that are in those upper reaches of data consumption should pay a premium? in 1996 the vast majority of internet users paid for internet access by the hour and used dialup connections. Any overusage meant you had to pay really expensive fees. The entire reason this stopped was because of competition, most companies which did not adopt the 'unlimited usage' model went out of business. To me this is a step backwards and I forsee many more isps stupid enough to implement this going out of business.
This may work in canada because bell canada practically has in my opinion what I would consider a monopoly but i'm pretty sure that there are marketing teams for various isps in the US that are just salivating at the type of commercials they can run against the first major isp in the u.s. to be stupid enough to try this.
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Jason Levine
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| reply to bent
If Exxon advertised an plan that offered unlimited gas for a low monthly rate and I paid the rate, I would expect unlimited gas. I wouldn't expect Exxon to suddenly charge me more because I had used too many gallons in a particular month. (Especially if "too many gallons" wasn't defined anywhere and if I wasn't given any way of telling how close I was to "too many gallons.") |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
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said by Frank :said by bent :Stating an unpopular opinion isn't trolling, it's opening up discussion. The vast majority of internet users aren't anywhere near 50 or 60 gigs a month, much less the 100 gigs in a month that might get you in dutch with your ISP currently. Maybe those that are in those upper reaches of data consumption should pay a premium? in 1996 the vast majority of internet users paid for internet access by the hour and used dialup connections. Any overusage meant you had to pay really expensive fees. The entire reason this stopped was because of competition, most companies which did not adopt the 'unlimited usage' model went out of business. To me this is a step backwards and I forsee many more isps stupid enough to implement this going out of business. This may work in canada because bell canada practically has in my opinion what I would consider a monopoly but i'm pretty sure that there are marketing teams for various isps in the US that are just salivating at the type of commercials they can run against the first major isp in the u.s. to be stupid enough to try this. There is one major difference between the 1996 situation and today. IN 1996, you could move to a new dial-up ISP. Today, you can NOT move to a new Cable ISP since you are in a Take-It-or-Leave-It situation due to there being only one Cable Company per area. If you are lucky enough to have a AT&T U-whatever-it-is-called or Verizon FIOS option you can switch to them (assuming that they do not try this stunt also) or downgrade to whatever speed of DSL your local Telco offers but that is your only other options except to just drop Internet Access or pay the blackmail fees to your Cable Company. |
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plat2on1
join:2002-08-21
Hopewell Junction, NY
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Re: Good.
said by Frank :said by bent :I suppose you'd also like a bottomless tank of gas for your SUV for one flat price every month? gasoline is an exhaustible resource just like electricity. internet and media is not. you dont see the cable company billing you based upon how many hours your cablebox was turned on do you? does internet run on magical fairy dust? |
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maartena
Obama 2008
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
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| reply to bent
said by bent :Stating an unpopular opinion isn't trolling, it's opening up discussion. The vast majority of internet users aren't anywhere near 50 or 60 gigs a month, much less the 100 gigs in a month that might get you in dutch with your ISP currently. Maybe those that are in those upper reaches of data consumption should pay a premium? The idea itself, "pay for what you use" is not a bad idea. But then I don't want to pay $50 for my broadband connection either, I want to pay a $10 flat fee, just as you would pay a flat baseline fee to your electricity provider that is about the same amount, and then pay for usage on top of that.
I don't mind paying $10 for broadband, maybe have 2 Gb of free data included to prevent complaints about spam and un-authorized traffic you didn't ask for, and then pay $1 per Gb. If I download 15 Gb, my bill will be $25, and if I go crazy one month, it may be $100.
I don't mind that. But don't go adding charges to my already expensive broadband. If you offer "unlimited", don't complain if I have a 1 Mbps video stream running most of the day because the cable company don't offer that particular channel on the TV lineup. :P
Having said that, the amount of traffic is ever-increasing. It's not the torrents or p2p that ISP's now are complaining about, it is the bandwidth from online video sites. In Great Brittain the BBC launched its online TV service last year (only for Brittons on a Brittish IP address due to broadcast rights) and it is so hugely succesfull it has ISP's complaining about users actually using it.
Here in the US, more and more channels are putting their TV shows online after they have aired (with built in commercials) and quite frankly, if I forgot to record a show and they have it available, I use those kind of services.
VOIP is becoming increasingly more popular, especially for long distance calls. There are actually people that I know of that have a Vonage line just to chat with their parents on the other side of the country.
iTunes is increasingly popular, just like other legal MP3 websites. Youtube is bookmarked on pretty much every teen's computer and used extensively. My 14 year old niece has answered "I am youtubing" on my question what she was doing on the internet.
If you have a family of four, mom, dad and two teenage kids, chances are you will actually hit 50 Gb of traffic a month just using the internet. My Windows Update just downloaded about 500 megs of updates because of Vista SP1. Two months back it was 300 megs because of Office 2007 SP1. Imagine having 4 or 5 PC's in your house running different versions of Windows and Office or MacOS, all needing updates..... just updating your PC's, including the virus definitions 3 times a week or so, can add up to 2 Gb a month alone.
And it's going to get more and more. Steam sells you games online with 4 Gb downloads. World of Warcraft gives you 800 meg updates and sells the 2 Gb expansion online. Netflix just launched its download service, for a fixed price a month you can download movies that you can burn to DVD yourself, which I can only imagine are at least 1 Gb or so downloads (compressed) per movie, if not more.
If you are a techie like me, you sometimes like to try new Linux distros. 600 megs for the basic CD's, but 4 Gb for the DVD version. I have downloaded as much as 4 different distros on DVD in 1 week.
We are not living in the age of "e-mail and browse the web" anymore. You could get by with 10 Gb.... about 10 years ago. Now, it is not uncommon to have to add a 0 to it if you have an active, online family.
ISP's need to increase their bandwidth, because people are continuing to be hungry for it. Punishing them will only hold technology back.
Who's gonna pay for it? Well, I know for a FACT that bandwidth on the high-end scale is getting cheaper. DS3's are selling for $3k now, about 5 years ago you would have to shell out at least $7k for a DS3.
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Frank
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somewhere
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to RARPSL
said by RARPSL :said by Frank :said by bent :Stating an unpopular opinion isn't trolling, it's opening up discussion. The vast majority of internet users aren't anywhere near 50 or 60 gigs a month, much less the 100 gigs in a month that might get you in dutch with your ISP currently. Maybe those that are in those upper reaches of data consumption should pay a premium? in 1996 the vast majority of internet users paid for internet access by the hour and used dialup connections. Any overusage meant you had to pay really expensive fees. The entire reason this stopped was because of competition, most companies which did not adopt the 'unlimited usage' model went out of business. To me this is a step backwards and I forsee many more isps stupid enough to implement this going out of business. This may work in canada because bell canada practically has in my opinion what I would consider a monopoly but i'm pretty sure that there are marketing teams for various isps in the US that are just salivating at the type of commercials they can run against the first major isp in the u.s. to be stupid enough to try this. There is one major difference between the 1996 situation and today. IN 1996, you could move to a new dial-up ISP. Today, you can NOT move to a new Cable ISP since you are in a Take-It-or-Leave-It situation due to there being only one Cable Company per area. If you are lucky enough to have a AT&T U-whatever-it-is-called or Verizon FIOS option you can switch to them (assuming that they do not try this stunt also) or downgrade to whatever speed of DSL your local Telco offers but that is your only other options except to just drop Internet Access or pay the blackmail fees to your Cable Company. you do not have to go with what your telco offers unless you live ridiculously far from your central office. There are other companies available out there for dsl that offer different types of dsl circuits. I know this for a fact because I used to have an sdsl line for cheap prior to getting cable. Would I drop my cable company if they started to do this? In a heartbeat. Would others also? of course. All it takes is a few people hearing horror stories of $1000 internet overage charge bills and a savy competitor to get people to switch in waves.
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NOCMan
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Flower Mound, TX | That ends if AT&T install uverse or you have FIOS. |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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Flower Mound, TX
| reply to maartena
So you're willing to pay a 800% markup on the actual cost of bandwidth delivery? They're paying 2-5 cents per gigabyte of traffic and in some cases with peering agreements even less than that.
Like others have stated, it would kill any internet based competition and destroy many good paying jobs. People will quit using the internet and many good projects will be destroyed.
Billing by the byte is not the answer. It's greed plain and simple. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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| reply to bent
Get "Bent"... Troll much?
We need the future internet to be fast and have massive uncapped bandwidth so that next generation services and goods can be delivered and our economy prosper. People like you would take us back to the stone ages for their own personal gain....
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