Re: Good in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20317204 en Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:30:57 EDT Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:30:57 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321473 Ulmo :
said by Kearnstd See Profile :

thing is this would never make it in the US because you would have some Mom and Pop WISP that can run a great network but cant afford to spend what it would most likely cost to be a member of the blacklist database. and if it where done here we know access to the DB wouldn't be free.
That's only if the blacklist database cost that much money, which if your conspiracy theory is right, might be true, but doesn't have to be.

Remember, domain names used to be only the minimal administrative cost our taxes paid for, often supported by other entities without much unnecessary cost accounting. As you pointed out, costs do rise mostly due to mob-like government and corporate taxation and greed, but that doesn't mean they have to. The core costs are very low.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321473 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:49:35 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321466 Ulmo :
said by Master_AMD See Profile :

I'm glad it didn't go through, FTW us! But the vote was pretty close though all things considering.
It's a tough issue. On the one side you have the outdated and incorrect business models using existing legal frameworks, so the defense of law is of interest. On the other hand, you have this sort of gaping big black hole of understanding from MBAs of what the "service economy" is supposed to be for first world countries as they submit to China's demands, and that hole gets filled by people just doing things the way they can, whether those ways are old-legal framework valid or not.

I don't relish this can of worms on anybody.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321466 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:46:14 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318938 RARPSL :
said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

The criminal provisions France is considering aren't really needed. But I do like the 3 strikes and you are out idea. Keep abusing copyright and keep getting caught, you deserve to lose your internet access.
It is more like "Keep being accused of abusing copyright ..." since in France you are guilty until/unless you prove otherwise. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318938 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:03:02 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318549 EPS : Bah, if the internet providers want to sign up a customer they should have every right to do so- let the companies enforce their copyrights in the way copyrights have always been enforced since the beginning, fines and court orders.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318549 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:43:46 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318080 mrchris : If they (EU countries) were smart, they would go after the bootleggers selling copies of audio CDs and movie DVDs on the street.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318080 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:14:13 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20317679 nasadude :
said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

The criminal provisions France is considering aren't really needed. But I do like the 3 strikes and you are out idea. Keep abusing copyright and keep getting caught, you deserve to lose your internet access.
I will gladly accept this restriction if the same applies to content owners that send improper or illegal takedown notices - the third time a content owner sends an illegal/improper takedown notice, they lose the right to send anymore takedown notices.

sending improper/illegal takedown notices is copyright abuse.

goose, gander, sauce and all that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20317679 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:45:34 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20317217 Kearnstd : thing is this would never make it in the US because you would have some Mom and Pop WISP that can run a great network but cant afford to spend what it would most likely cost to be a member of the blacklist database. and if it where done here we know access to the DB wouldn't be free.
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said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

The criminal provisions France is considering aren't really needed. But I do like the 3 strikes and you are out idea. Keep abusing copyright and keep getting caught, you deserve to lose your internet access.
and the ISP's lose customers? If the ISP doesn't like a customer's usage, they can terminate that account on their own. Piracy is a civil issue, and should be left only to the 2 parties involved - the **AA, and the pirate.
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said by Master_AMD See Profile :

I'm glad it didn't go through, FTW us! But the vote was pretty close though all things considering.
But the vote is merely advisory. It isn't mandatory to follow it. France may or may not decide to follow it.

»news.yahoo.com/s/infoworld/20080···ld/97965
The report isn't legally binding, but it could help thwart efforts by France, which has already adopted such measures, to push the issue at a European political level.

France takes over the six-month rotating presidency of the European Union in the second half of this year and many observers, including the U.K.-based Open Rights Group, expect it to push for E.U.-wide rules similar to its own.

The report is significant because it "signifies resistance among MEPs to measures currently being implemented in France to disconnect suspected illicit filesharers," the Open Rights Group said in a statement.

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