Re: Not a bad strategy either... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20318705 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:49:32 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:49:32 EDT Re: Not a bad strategy either... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321296 anon : yeah what happened to LOW PRICES?

i'd love to have your $25/month package - i can't really get dsl that fast - that's what needs to be fixed, not more expensive and faster, but better service and cheaper.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321296 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:39:15 EDT Re: Mchart ... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321676 root9 : "Except you fail to realize that companies and the government are paying well over 100 times what we are paying."
=> What they are paying is a drop in the bucket in comparison of their profits filling their pockets. Same old story Mchart, the rich are getting much richer and most of us are getting poorer.

"I also like the comment that corporate prices are going down. Is this a joke? The prices of all the equipment keep going up and up."
=> They sure are ... again not enough to warrant price hikes for users. Not even close .. please read your bottom lines of each company and how much the investors are racking in too. Keep in mind that most are spending major part of this cash on frivolous projects as tax havens. The rich have great ways to manipulate and hide their cash.

It's small biz that's coming up with new ideas and or using them ... that's where future is.

It's amazing how the PPL have been duped, right in front of their own faces yet. I make an educated guess many big corporations are about to fall before 2011 due to being exposed for their abuses. And they are about to cause the worst havoc known while doing so.
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Fight for your rights or loose them!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321676 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:04:02 EDT Re: Not a bad strategy either... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321456 nitzan :
said by TigerLord See Profile :

AT&T's point of view makes sense, saying Internet is already fast enough. They should invest in maintaining a network capable of handling unthrolled connections with a higher cap.
AT&T is saying today that there is no need to upgrade their network because it's already capable of handling the traffic users need.

Just wait and see- in a year they will come back and say they can't handle the traffic "due to file sharing activity" so they have to throttle everyone.

Instead of investing in development of their existing network to provide users with the speeds they WILL NEED for tomorrow's technologies, they decided to play grouch. The only ones who will pay for it are the customers. Those that aren't lucky enough to have another provider in their area, that is.

Current AT&T management is horrible. They treat both their employees AND their customers like crap. I'm stuck with AT&T and Comcrap where I live, but you know what- I'd take Comcast over AT&T these days. Sad.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20321456 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:42:52 EDT Re: Not a bad strategy either... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20320801 Mchart :
said by root9 See Profile :

EXUSE ME? You trying to say that you agree with throttling = invasion of privacy = illegal actions by major ISP's, MONEY HUNGRY CORPORATINS and governments?

At present the major bulk of bandwidth is taken up by large corporations, next are Governments, then and only then we have users. In reality users must put up with slowed speed and be spied on at same time?

Do we have to flip the bill for Corporate use as we are doing now? Yes, that's right, our user prices are going up and corporate are going down, go figure.

At present everyone can have 15 Mbps DWLDS and 3.5 Mbps UPLDS with no problems what-so-ever if we would fight for our rights! ... AND pay much less due to dropping prices of bandwidth as you use more.

Come on PPL .. fight for your rights or loose them!
Except you fail to realize that companies and the government are paying well over 100 times what we are paying.

I also like the comment that corporate prices are going down. Is this a joke? The prices of all the equipment keep going up and up.

Nothing is going down in price. Small business? Maybe. But not anything above your typical entry level for SONET, which at this point is no less then an OC12 for most business's for future-proofing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20320801 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:12:07 EDT Re: Not a bad strategy either... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20319679 en102 : And when that happens...I'll deal with it then.
POTS fees are what kills me.
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Do you mean $30? 3.0 mbps / 512 kbps. AT&T just raised the prices on that speed tier by 5 bucks.

If you are still under a contract, you won't see the change until your term ends.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20319655 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:23:03 EDT Re: Not a bad strategy either... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20319477 root9 : oh you are are you? and you're not part of the biggest community on this planet? ... the internet users?

you have many advocacy groups, youtube, google video, slashdot, your senator and list goes on and on.

You ever think of starting your own website / blog / advocacy group and scream for help? Post a sign on your front lawn ,, let loose and fight for your rights!

Here is a perfect example fou you: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Chanology
These PPL [mostly kids, teens and young adults] started as few ... who grew into many. They are taking on a the cult of Scientology [the richest and most destructive idiots on this continent] and driving them back into the sea. Maybe slowly but they are doing it.

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If they become standard "anyway" then we lost the fight for our rights. The idea is to not let them get away with it in the first place or they sucker us later. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20319374 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:17:54 EDT Re: Not a bad strategy either... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20319230 TigerLord : What?

I said if they keep throttling and capping connections to justify the faster speeds, it makes no sense. I'd rather have slower speed and an uncapped, unthrottled connection, or at least, a reasonable cap hovering around 200GB.

AT&T's point of view makes sense, saying Internet is already fast enough. They should invest in maintaining a network capable of handling unthrolled connections with a higher cap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20319230 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:51:28 EDT Re: Not a bad strategy either... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20319138 root9 : EXUSE ME? You trying to say that you agree with throttling = invasion of privacy = illegal actions by major ISP's, MONEY HUNGRY CORPORATINS and governments?

At present the major bulk of bandwidth is taken up by large corporations, next are Governments, then and only then we have users. In reality users must put up with slowed speed and be spied on at same time?

Do we have to flip the bill for Corporate use as we are doing now? Yes, that's right, our user prices are going up and corporate are going down, go figure.

At present everyone can have 15 Mbps DWLDS and 3.5 Mbps UPLDS with no problems what-so-ever if we would fight for our rights! ... AND pay much less due to dropping prices of bandwidth as you use more.

Come on PPL .. fight for your rights or loose them!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20319138 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:35:25 EDT Re: Not a bad strategy either... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318858 RogerADSL : sorry....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318858 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:44:39 EDT Re: Not a bad strategy either... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318853 Mike : Your troll-fu is strong, young padawan.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318853 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:43:40 EDT Re: Not a bad strategy either... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318705 RogerADSL : your goverment is subsidizing your connection! Silly socialists! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318705 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:14:08 EDT Re: Not a bad strategy either... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20318488 en102 : Exactly...
I'm happy with a solid/unthrottled/uncapped 3Mbps/512kbps fastpath DSL connection at $25 price range.

The problem that I will see in the near future...
Companies will 'sour' the basic/low end plans with low caps and/or throttling. Forcing users up to higher end plans.

What doesn't make sense from a technical standpoint is throttling/capping low (1.5Mbps) plans... they aren't consuming 'excessive' amounts or disrupting as 10-50Mbps users can. Its a pure cash grab by souring the basic plan to be unusable.
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