craig70130
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New Orleans, LA | reply to Matt
Re: [Rant] Pseudoephedrine
Many states were restricting the sale before the feds stepped in. And yes, in many states it is tracked statewide. Definitely is in my state. |
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Duchess44
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Chattanooga, TN | reply to Rob
Here in TN ,they are now asking for your DOB when you purchase things like Nyquil... |
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Matt
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| said by Duchess44  :Here in TN ,they are now asking for your DOB when you purchase things like Nyquil... Yep, I purchased Nyquil at Harris Teeter when I had the flu and I was carded ... just like I was buying alcohol. |
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tapeloop
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Have you tried Amazon? They sell 4-packs of the 24ct. extra strength allergy.
»www.amazon.com/Sudafed-Allergy-M···1&sr=8-5 |
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Nigh Quil
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said by Duchess44 :Here in TN ,they are now asking for your DOB when you purchase things like Nyquil... I'll bite: is there an actual rationale given for their putting your tits through the wringer when buying cold medicine now?
I mean, is Nyquil-guzzling the latest Officially Recognized Problem? If so, the people doing it must be pretty hard up for a fix of some kind. I haven't taken Nyquil in years, but I recall it wasn't the most pleasant-tasting substance. |
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craig70130
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said by tapeloop :Have you tried Amazon? They sell 4-packs of the 24ct. extra strength allergy. That is Sudafed PE - different drug entirely and doesn't work near as well for most people. |
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tapeloop
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| said by craig70130 :said by tapeloop :Have you tried Amazon? They sell 4-packs of the 24ct. extra strength allergy. That is Sudafed PE - different drug entirely and doesn't work near as well for most people. Ingredients
Chlorpheniramine maleate 4mg, Phenylephrine HCI 10mg
Gotcha. I picked that link since it said "allergy formula."
They have the pseudoephedrine HCl stuff for sale too:
»www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?ur···&x=0&y=0
»www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_kk_1?ie=···phedrine |
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Matt
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said by Nigh Quil :said by Duchess44 :Here in TN ,they are now asking for your DOB when you purchase things like Nyquil... I'll bite: is there an actual rationale given for their putting your tits through the wringer when buying cold medicine now? I mean, is Nyquil-guzzling the latest Officially Recognized Problem? If so, the people doing it must be pretty hard up for a fix of some kind. I haven't taken Nyquil in years, but I recall it wasn't the most pleasant-tasting substance. Nyquil has one of the most powerful hypnotics known to man in it, and it also used to have Pseudoephedrine. They changed the formula now though and you have to buy Nyquil D to get what used to be the original Nyquil. The new stuff doesn't work nearly as well.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NyQuil#Reformulation
I agree with what they say about phenylephrine being nothing more than a placebo. When I had the flu, I kept wondering why Nyquil wasn't doing a damn thing for my runny nose like it used to. When I researched why my Claritin D (taken in desperation one night during said flu episode so I could get some sleep) worked and Nyquil didn't, I found out about the reformulation. |
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cvrefugee
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| said by Matt :I agree with what they say about phenylephrine being nothing more than a placebo. When I had the flu, I kept wondering why Nyquil wasn't doing a damn thing for my runny nose like it used to. When I researched why my Claritin D (taken in desperation one night during said flu episode so I could get some sleep) worked and Nyquil didn't, I found out about the reformulation. Why would you take a decongestant for a runny nose? You should take an anti-histamine. Also, Claritin D would not allow you to sleep because the psuedoephedrine would keep you awake (it is a stimulant). You should have taken Benadryl if you wanted to fall asleep and dry up your runny nose. |
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Matt
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| said by cvrefugee :said by Matt :I agree with what they say about phenylephrine being nothing more than a placebo. When I had the flu, I kept wondering why Nyquil wasn't doing a damn thing for my runny nose like it used to. When I researched why my Claritin D (taken in desperation one night during said flu episode so I could get some sleep) worked and Nyquil didn't, I found out about the reformulation. Why would you take a decongestant for a runny nose? You should take an anti-histamine. Also, Claritin D would not allow you to sleep because the psuedoephedrine would keep you awake (it is a stimulant). You should have taken Benadryl if you wanted to fall asleep and dry up your runny nose. I was so tired I didn't care about the stimulant, but I kept "almost" falling asleep and waking up gasping because I couldn't breath through my nose.
I'm not sure why, but the Claritin D worked and dried my nose up so I could sleep.
I'll remember the Benadryl tip the next time I need something to clear up a runny nose because I hate the way Claritin D makes me feel. |
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dvd536
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All of this hassle and there really hasn't been a drop in meth sales/lab busts.
only hurting the legit users, i buy it when i don't need it so i'll have a decent amount for when i do.
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Jim Gurd
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said by cvrefugee :said by Jim Gurd :Yes, but if it was legal then it could be made openly in a factory with proper precautions taken and procedures for disposing of the hazardous waste. The very fact that it is illegal is contributing to the dangerous conditions you list. That's the worse exercise in logic I've ever seen. You want the creation of methamphetamine to be legal? Why? For what purpose? So you can get your psuedoephedrine fix without hassle at the pharmacy? I think all drugs should be legal. If people want to kill themselves then let them. Punish them only when they infringe on the rights of others.
»www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml#drugwar
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Meth Mouth
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said by cvrefugee :said by Jim Gurd :Yes, but if it was legal then it could be made openly in a factory with proper precautions taken and procedures for disposing of the hazardous waste. The very fact that it is illegal is contributing to the dangerous conditions you list. That's the worse exercise in logic I've ever seen. You want the creation of methamphetamine to be legal? Why? For what purpose? If you'll pardon my saying so, I don't think you're quite grasping the logic here.
The whole reason why people do things like setting up drug labs in hotel rooms is because drugs are illegal. Therefore, criminals will do things to set up portable labs in an effort to stay one step ahead of the law: they can set up a lab in a motel room, stay there for a day or two, then pack up and move on.
If, on the other hand, drugs like methamphetamine were legalized, they could be made under controlled conditions, and in industrial quantities (i.e. cheaper and purer).
So, who do you think would be able to produce more and purer methamphetamine: some guy operating out of a hotel room, looking over his shoulder every five minutes? Or someone with a full-blown, legitimate factory employing a staff of chemists, same as anyone would in the legal drug trade?
Now, the thought of someone destroying themselves through methamphetamine use horrifies me (and you, too, probably). But we need to stop pretending that banning something serves to actually get rid of that "something," because it's been demonstrated, time and again, that the world just doesn't work that way.
If you'd like an historical example, you need look no farther than Prohibition. Prohibition lasted 13 years, was widely acknowledged as a complete failure, and was finally repealed, but not before making the Mafia an enormous amount of money.
The phrase "war on drugs" was first used in 1971 during the Nixon Administration. If you think that, thirty-seven years later, drugs are now more costly, of poorer quality, and harder to obtain than ever, then all I can tell you is you need to get out of the house more often.
said by cvrefugee :So you can get your psuedoephedrine fix without hassle at the pharmacy? The hassles that people now endure at the pharmacy to get their cold medicine are entirely pointless. There are huge profits to be made in the drug trade, particularly in cheap, easy-to-make drugs like methamphetamine.
Anyone who thinks that illegal drug manufacturers simply threw up their hands the day they started limiting the amount of cold medicine you could buy at Wal-Mart doesn't understand the drug trade very well. All the bad guys did was turn to alternative sources to get the chemicals they need to make the drugs. The drugs that, you guessed it, they can sell and make enormous sums of money doing so. Likewise, the people who supply illegal drug manufacturers with the chemicals they need to make the drugs also stand to make a lot of money.
The people who claim to be fighting the "war on drugs" fail to acknowledge that what they are in fact fighting are...market forces. When they bust a drug dealer, (or a meth lab) their doing so temporarily increases the price of illegal drugs (decreased supply + steady demand = higher prices). Which means that when they bust a dealer/lab, (and therefore drive the price up by reducing the supply) their actions serve to make getting into the drug trade more attractive to people who like to make money.
It's a process we've seen repeated, ad nauseum, for thirty-seven years now. And yet, strangely enough, we don't seem to be any closer to reducing the supply of illegal drugs than we were in 1971.
There has been a huge success, however, in reducing things like civil liberties and the ability of law-abiding cold sufferers to get the medicine they need to feel better. If these strike you as being worthy goals, then I guess you can count the War on Drugs as at least a partial success. |
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footballdude
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said by Jim Gurd :I think all drugs should be legal. If people want to kill themselves then let them. Before you could implement a policy like that, you'd have to completely disconnect these 'victims' from the government welfare and health care system. Otherwise they'll just sit around getting high all the time and expect Uncle Sam to pay their bills. Then call an ambulance every time they get the jitters.
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Jim Gurd
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1 edit | said by footballdude :Before you could implement a policy like that, you'd have to completely disconnect these 'victims' from the government welfare and health care system. I agree with that 100%. I'm opposed to welfare, both individual and corporate.
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capecoddah
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»www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KeKeylrOIE
Denis Leary NyQuil (language warning) |
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joeblow
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Knoxville, TN
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Need to be wary of long time and over use of Sudafed. It is really hard on your blood pressure and later your heart. My heart Dr. said there might be long term effects from taking it long periods.
Have you tried Allegra and all the others. That really worked for me. as well as I just moved away from winter weather. |
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craig70130
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New Orleans, LA | Allegra = antihistamime
Sudafed = decongestant
apples & oranges
Allegra-D = antihistamime + Sudafed (pseudoephedrine) |
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CylonRed
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said by Matt :said by Nigh Quil :said by Duchess44 :Here in TN ,they are now asking for your DOB when you purchase things like Nyquil... I'll bite: is there an actual rationale given for their putting your tits through the wringer when buying cold medicine now? I mean, is Nyquil-guzzling the latest Officially Recognized Problem? If so, the people doing it must be pretty hard up for a fix of some kind. I haven't taken Nyquil in years, but I recall it wasn't the most pleasant-tasting substance. Nyquil has one of the most powerful hypnotics known to man in it, and it also used to have Pseudoephedrine. They changed the formula now though and you have to buy Nyquil D to get what used to be the original Nyquil. The new stuff doesn't work nearly as well. Doesn't Nyquil have a lot of alcohol as well? drunks and kids under the legal age can buy Nyquil and Listerine and drink it fast to get a buzz (drunk).
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Allegra-D = antihistamime + Sudafed (pseudoephedrine)
claritin-D is the same as well. Any of the allergy medications that have the -D uses Sudafed.
I loved Seldane when it was available... |
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Pseudo Effndream
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said by footballdude :said by Jim Gurd :I think all drugs should be legal. If people want to kill themselves then let them. Before you could implement a policy like that, you'd have to completely disconnect these 'victims' from the government welfare and health care system. Otherwise they'll just sit around getting high all the time and expect Uncle Sam to pay their bills. Then call an ambulance every time they get the jitters. You've hit the nail right on the head there.
As near as I can figure it, the problem is really twofold:
1) The State has largely replaced the family as the guiding force in people's lives and
2) America has changed from a culture of self-reliance to a culture of entitlement (i.e. people feel they have a "right" to health care and other services that are paid for by money taken from other people).
Every time someone brings up socialized medicine, and what a "good idea" it is, I simply head to the nearest grocery store. I do this in order to get an idea of how people are currently taking care of themselves before I am allowed the "privilege" of paying for their health care (and vice-versa).
There, I can easily find people who are (no offense) nearly as wide as the aisle they're pushing their shopping cart down. If you think I'm exaggerating, I invite you to pay a visit to your own local grocery store, where chances are good you will see the exact same thing.
And while I respect the "right" of someone to live however they want, and stuff their body with the Junk of the Month, (be it Twinkies, BLTs, heroin, or what-have-you) I hope that they, in turn, will respect my right not to have to pay for their poor choices and lack of judgment.
The kicker here is that I really don't blame the people pushing those jam-packed shopping carts filled with frozen pizzas, microwave food, etc. Because I'm under the impression that these folks, for the most part, just don't know any better, and were never taught by their parents how to eat properly and take care of themselves.
Be that as it may, I also don't feel it's right for these same folks to ask me to pay for their mistakes. The problem is that things like welfare and health care now come under the heading of "entitlements," and anyone who talks about how wrong it is to socialize the cost of one's poor choices is dismissed out of hand as some sort of crank.
Well, that's fair enough, I suppose. But this crank can't help but notice that things like obesity did not become "epidemics" until relatively recently. That is, people were expected to bear the cost of taking care of their own bodies and not have someone else (i.e. the State) do it for them for "free."
Everyone talks about how America is no longer a free country, but perhaps we're simply getting what we've asked for (and deserve). We seem to be fond of talking about "freedom" a lot, but I rarely hear folks talk about the corollary to freedom: responsibility. I guess the government is supposed to take care of that part for us.
I realize I'm starting to sound like my granddad, so I'll stop now. |
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