Re: Uhhh... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20342007 en Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:19:44 EDT Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:19:44 EDT Re: Uhhh... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20344600 dsldude08 : "As pointed out by others you are incorrect on many fronts with your statement. Telco's can easily lower their price to compete and don't have to jump through hoops to do it. The regulations in place involve price increases not decreases and most deal with how they treat their competitors, not their consumers. Besides, they can simply eliminate all their below the line markup's and that would make a huge difference."

Sorry, you are incorrect in your statement. There is a thing called the Public Service Commission, depending on the state, the name may be different. On top of that, there is also this thing called a Tariff. Better go check it out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20344600 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:22:49 EDT Re: Uhhh... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20344040 openbox9 : The nationwide infrastructure wasn't paid for by tax payers. It may have been helped via tax breaks, regulation, and the government allowed monopoly, but I definitely wouldn't call it a "free ride". Nowadays, with the level of competition facing the telcos, I don't see why it's so difficult to accept any complaints.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20344040 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:43:47 EDT Re: Uhhh... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20343623 Skippy25 : As pointed out by others you are incorrect on many fronts with your statement. Telco's can easily lower their price to compete and don't have to jump through hoops to do it. The regulations in place involve price increases not decreases and most deal with how they treat their competitors, not their consumers. Besides, they can simply eliminate all their below the line markup's and that would make a huge difference.

What needs to happen and what will probably happen eventually is that the pipe needs to carry the burden of these taxes, not the services and applications. Voice, data, tv, and music will eventually all be simply lumped into "broadband". They are all becoming simply 0's and 1's (data) and all that is needed to carry data worldwide is a broadband connection (wired or wireless).

I personally think that at a minimum there should be a complete separation from the pipe providers and the content providers and the 2 should never mix. SBC, TW, Comcast, Verizon.. they should either provide the infrastructure or they provide the service/content (voice, tv, ISP, whatever), but never be allowed to do both. Ideally I would like to see one nationwide fiber network that is citizen owned and government overseen. Then any content provider can reach any person that wants their service anywhere in the country without the monopolistic/duopolostic barriers that are in place now. That will bring compitetion and services the citizens want and those they don't will fall away.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20343623 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:30:52 EDT Re: Uhhh... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20343535 morbo : hmmm.... having nationwide infrastructure paid for by tax payers is the definition of "free ride".

edit: that plus a legal monopoly.

can you see what it's difficult to accept any complaining from telco??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20343535 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:17:07 EDT Re: Uhhh... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20342622 lesopp : Residential line charge, Federal excise tax, Local communications services tax, State gross receipts tax, Telecommunications Relay Service, County 911 Funding Fee, Federal subscriber line charge are out of their hands.

Other charges like calling plans, other add-ons and invented changes like regulatory cost recovery fee are routinely changed and/or charged by the telcos.

The telcos don't like the fact the cable companies are doing it and charging less at the bottom line. Simply put they could charge less on the non-regulated side to compete with the cable providers, but they instead have taken a different approach.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20342622 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:40:28 EDT Re: Uhhh... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20342236 openbox9 : Since telcos have been regulated for a long time, I wouldn't exactly call it a "free ride". And no, we shouldn't tax everything to death. The contrary is a better plan to encourage infrastructure investment, innovation, and expansion.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20342236 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:18:38 EDT Re: Uhhh... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20342105 woody7 : I guess their "free" ride is over, and they don't like it. That aside, let's just tax everything to death. ;) ;) ;)
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BlooMe]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20342105 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:29:39 EDT Re: Uhhh... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20342007 dsldude08 : The cable company, VOIP company, and so forth can raise their rates ANYTIME. And they have and will continue to do. The telco's can't just lower their price or change the price of something to please you, there is a regulation on everything and in order for it to be offered, changed, and so forth, it has to be approved. So, if this continues, then basically, the teclo's would disappear, and then your cable companies would be a monopoly and it starts all over again. Gee, is that what we want? Really...
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said by dsldude08 See Profile :

Telco's are having a hard time competing right now because of regulations that don't allow them to change their pricing to compete in a timely manner, resulting in lost customers. Wow are people that thick headed? Really...
Yep, they want to charge $500000 for caller id and now only charge $7 per month. When voip/cell companies include it for no extra charge.

Really . . . ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20341266 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:58:09 EDT Re: Uhhh... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20341194 battleop : "Telco's are having a hard time competing right now"

Yea, poor little old Telcos.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20341194 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:44:30 EDT Uhhh... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20340951 dsldude08 : It should be taxed just like a regular telco/cable company is, for one, it provides the same type of service the telco/cable companies do. In order to compete fairly, either no one should be regulated, or everyone should be. Not just one or the other. Telco's are having a hard time competing right now because of regulations that don't allow them to change their pricing to compete in a timely manner, resulting in lost customers. Wow are people that thick headed? Really...
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