 Doctor OldsI Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.Premium,VIP
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Re: Study Finds ISPs Fiddled with Web Pages  Clean connection here. |
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 Woody79_00I run Linux am I still a PC?Premium
join:2004-07-08
united state | Mine came back clean also  |
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 ilagoPremium
join:2005-06-28
Australia | reply to ilago
And there's more.
»blog.washingtonpost.com/security···_go.html
»securitywatch.eweek.com/browsers···b_1.html |
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join:2001-09-05
Boca Raton, FL
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said by OZO:It becomes ridiculously stupid to me to pay $60 and try to skip 30% of whole TV time wasted on commercials. BTW, during the last 10 years Comcast has increased price for TV cable service from $25 to $60 (it's more then two times!) and, at the same time, the time for commercials has been increased to almost unbearable level as well... I too get annoyed at commercials. Sometimes when I am fast forwarding through them with my DVR I have to back up a little cause I fast forwarded into the show. 
We stopped watching "Live" TV on any regular basis a couple of years ago. Even if we are waiting for the new episode and are in the living room we will watch something else, DVRed, until the show is over. My daughters are only allowed one hour of TV on school days so they DVR what they want and then watch it then. They have mastered the FF through commercials, they can get through 3 half hour shows in their one hour.
back OT though, The major difference is that the revenue generated by the commercials running on cable go to benefit the show. There are a whole host of structures depending on First-Run vs syndication and what not, but it is all agreed upon prior to the show airing. This is fundamentally different then the case presented in the OP.
The similarity is not the commercials being run on cable, but it is just like those terribly annoying little ads for other shows they have started running down in the corner of your screen. Barts head pops up and FOX advertises an all new Simpsons during '24'. The worst is when the add pops up over something critical like sub titles. I am surprised there hasn't been an uproar over that, but it seems to be during network shows advertising network shows so they are just crapping in their own yard.
It is a scary trend that they would alter the traffic, but I honestly don't see anything in the near future that could be used to stop them. After all, it's a "series of tubes" anyone can dump things into.
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If an ISP starts doing this, then they are no longer are common carrier. Does anyone know of what the legal ramifications of this are? |
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1 edit | If you have agreed to any of the following, and more, in your ISP's TOS or Privacy policy expect your data to be fair game:
* Create a Richer Browsing Experience
* Identify Customers Interested in Our Services
* Create General Marketing Profiles
edit - BTW, greats links ilago! |
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ilagoPremium
join:2005-06-28
Australia
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Re: Study Finds ISPs Fiddled with Web Pages quote:
Meanwhile, NebuAd's system is already scanning the traffic of 10 percent of the United States' broadband subscribers. NebuAd won't list the ISPs it's working with, other than CenturyTel Inc., which serves 530,000 broadband subscribers. NebuAd's system runs unless subscribers specifically opt out, and it's unclear how the ISPs are informing customers it exists.
If Phorm goes ahead in the UK, despite the opposition, they will have their DPI equipment working on 70% of the broadband market in the UK with only 3 ISPs signing up.
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"Richard Clayton, a Phorm critic with the Foundation for Information Policy Research, detects cultural differences. "Americans are used to having their personal data bought and sold in a way that is entirely unlawful within Europe," he noted in an e-mail."
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ilagoPremium
join:2005-06-28
Australia | said by Just Basics:From your link: "Richard Clayton, a Phorm critic with the Foundation for Information Policy Research, detects cultural differences. "Americans are used to having their personal data bought and sold in a way that is entirely unlawful within Europe," he noted in an e-mail." That may be true in many ways in direct comparisons. But I'm not convinced that applies to individuals who probably haven't been asked whether they like their privacy. I would have thought there was enough in the media about identity theft and other internet related "bad stuff" to get, at least, some people taking their privacy seriously.
This line from the bottom of the article is one of the reasons.
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NebuAd has also kept quieter than Phorm, which is a publicly traded company.
As a "private" company the business affairs of Nebuad are subject to far less scrutiny. |
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SUMwarePremium
join:2002-05-21
kudos:2 | reply to ilago
Suggestions From BadPhorm From BadPhorm said by BP :
Over the past few days a PR company retained by Phorm and indeed Phorm themselves have repeatedly attempted to address the numerous questions raised by many concerned individuals.
In our opinion however, they have failed to adequately address some of the most important issues raised repeatedly and ultimately unsuccessfully by our users.
We therefore call on Phorm and all participating ISPs to state publicly and on the record that they will ensure all deployments of the Phorm system meet the following specific requirements :
· The Phorm system must be fully opt-in. Opt-out systems are, in our opinion, not acceptable for such a potentially invasive piece of technology.
· Such opt-in must be explicit and voluntary (requiring specific user action) for all subscribers, not simply a change in the ISPs terms and conditions.
· The opt-in process must be managed at a network level, not reliant on cookies or any other type of client side mechanism.
· Where a user has chosen not to participate in the Phorm system, that user’s traffic must not be passed through or be accessible by any equipment owned, operated or supplied in whole or in part by Phorm (including software operating on ISP owned equipment).
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· The Phorm system must be fully opt-in. Opt-out systems are, in our opinion, not acceptable for such a potentially invasive piece of technology.
· Such opt-in must be explicit and voluntary (requiring specific user action) for all subscribers, not simply a change in the ISPs terms and conditions.
· The opt-in process must be managed at a network level, not reliant on cookies or any other type of client side mechanism.
· Where a user has chosen not to participate in the Phorm system, that user’s traffic must not be passed through or be accessible by any equipment owned, operated or supplied in whole or in part by Phorm (including software operating on ISP owned equipment).
I am very curious how any of this would work with a customer that purges cookies at the end of each session AND has a dynamic connection without the ISP providing additional information on the customer to the ad server.
You can opt out of the Adzilla system but one of the requirements is to have a static IP address. Even then, who would know if they were still monitoring your connection without showing the ads? |
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SUMwarePremium
join:2002-05-21
kudos:2 | That's why an explicit opt-in only permission system is needed. No cookie -> no permission -> no access.
Any question, at any time, in any way, of full voluntary user permission -> no participation with total data bypass.
The default should be absolute and complete interception/tracking bypass without constant verified user permission.
Phorm, NebuAd and similar schemes are insidious and corrupt from the get-go. |
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join:2002-07-07
North Myrtle Beach, SC
kudos:6 | reply to Malzware
Re: UW CSE and ICSI Web Integrity Checker »Test your ISP!!
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