 ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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Re: The question is . . . said by jonnyb:I knew that it was going to come down to that argument, and they are from what i hear they are going to docsis 3.0 but regardless if they increase capacity this is someting that is down on most isp networks. It is very easy to say just increase capacity which i am sure most ips could do but then our bill goes up and so on and so forth it is a sticky situation. Of course it comes to that. As all applications and gadgets connect to the internet consumption will go up. I can count a minimum of 6 machines at my house that connect to the internet-desktop, two laptops, Wii, Xbox 360, and an Ipod touch. Comcast will have to find ways to provide more capacity.
The P2P arguement is usually a smokescreen for lack of capacity and oversold nodes. |
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said by halfband:"Just upgrading" does not solve the issue since p2p apps by design will generally consume whatever upload is available. That argument doesn't hold water. The ISPs could easily upgrade the congested links without increasing the speed they deliver to their end users.
Problem solved. |
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Haverhill, NH | reply to ptrowski
You make good points, but unless all isp's are held to the same standard then that will probably not happen. |
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1 edit | said by jonnyb:You make good points, but unless all isp's are held to the same standard then that will probably not happen. I care what happens with my ISP and how they handle issues. I don't need another ISP telling mine what they can or cannot do. |
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said by jonnyb:you make horrible points, can you trust any big company they all have to make money and you bash them for it>? I bash them for their consistent policy of lying to their customers. This is why you cannot trust Comcast.
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jonnyb
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Haverhill, NH | reply to ptrowski
Understood, but if other isp's upgrade there network and embrace p2p then that will give other isp's some incentive to do the same so i definitely care what other isp's are doing because that can sometimes directly effect you even though they dont provide you with your service. |
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said by jonnyb:said by newview: quote:
Can we trust Comcast to protect our online freedoms without enforceable, independent consumer safeguards?
I think we've all seen where Comcast's interests lie . . . and it's NOT with with it's subscribers, except if you count extracting as much money as possible for all it's customers. We cannot trust Comcast, period. you make horrible points, can you trust any big company they all have to make money and you bash them for it>? I would say that it looks like TKJunkMail signed up with another account, but at least he has some idea how grammar works. |
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 halfbandPremium
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Sure, if you do away with the 1 to 10 sharing ratio on the last mile. Of course you and I are going to scream pretty loud about the rate increase to upgrade all the p2p users to a 100% dedicated upload pipe.
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| said by halfband:Sure, if you do away with the 1 to 10 sharing ratio on the last mile. Of course you and I are going to scream pretty loud about the rate increase to upgrade all the p2p users to a 100% dedicated upload pipe. Who said they needed a dedicated pipe? And why even single out p2p? As the internet evolves and new protocols (streaming video, p2p, VoIP, blah, blah, blah) come into play it's foolish to think that yesterday's contention ratios still apply and that no upgrades to your network infrastructure are required.
Or didn't it occur to the cable companies that they might actually have to deliver the speeds that they promised when they engaged in the speed wars with the telcos? |
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 bentand IngaPremium
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Do you really think the Bit Kiddies give a rats ass about the health of the networks they are using to commit crime? How about educating them not to STEAL?
Who cares if your linux distro or WOW patch is a little slower?
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The service should be 100% unlimited with 100% unempedded traffic that has a cap on the service (several tiers) which when exceeded is throttled. As the user continues up the tiers their connection is throttled even more until a new billing cycle is reached.
ISP's can charge more for higher tiers that take longer to reach the cap and throttle less. But NEVER for any reason whatsoever should they ever do anything other then take a packet received and route it to it's destination. They have no business touching a packet or interferring with it's delivery regardless of the type of packet it is or the method used to interfer. If they do that, then they are discriminating against traffic. |
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No what is reeking havoc on their network is their over selling of there network. That would be no different than Directv turning off all porn channels because more than was expected porn viewing was happening. It is not Directv or comcraps place to be the moral police. They advertised and sold a unlimited high bandwidth product, and over sold it, and paying customers are suppose to be penalized for their choice. Can I sell you a bank CD that earns 10% interest and then decide at a later date that too many people bought into the CD and arbitrarily lower the interest you receive to to 2%. Does that sound like a business model that is fair, just, and demonstrate integrity. Lets see how you dance around this one. |
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halfbandPremium
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I single out p2p because it far outstrips the currently available upload on a Cable system. Cable systems are do pretty well with downstream intensive apps like streaming video, and voip is just not very bandwidth intensive.
I do not disagree that it would be nice to get a network upgrade, and they are not sitting around doing nothing, docsis 3 will help (eventually) with more upstream in QOS. But the way p2p is expanding, and just the way it uses upstream in the default configuration can cause problems for other users. It not that p2p itself is bad, it is a great idea for data distribution, it is simply that normal configurations do not play nice on the networks and never really reach a balance with how other applications expect the net to work.
I am sure a lot of us have seen a similar problem with individual users in a house, too many computers and one wide open p2p app that ate up the upstream. It is easy to fix with education or a QOS router. I would like to think that comcast is working the education route a little. I also hope they will back away from some of the more distasteful options like sandvine.
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ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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said by jonnyb:said by newview: quote:
Can we trust Comcast to protect our online freedoms without enforceable, independent consumer safeguards?
I think we've all seen where Comcast's interests lie . . . and it's NOT with with it's subscribers, except if you count extracting as much money as possible for all it's customers. We cannot trust Comcast, period. you make horrible points, can you trust any big company they all have to make money and you bash them for it>? Funny, your screen name and location has now changed. I saw you used to be in New Bedford. Doesn't Comcast have a large office right next to New Bedford? |
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They Do have a Cap, but comcast Won't tell you what it is, ranging from 80-500 GB |
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