HiVolt
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join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
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·Bell Sympatico
| reply to hellRaiser
Re: No response from Bell to CRTC? Anyone?
said by hellRaiser :
Hivolt you are such the hell-raiser.
I hope you forwarded your proof to Rocky.
if you haven't, then pls do.
Rest assured, I have. 
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theninjasqua
join:2007-09-26
Oakville, ON | reply to Name96
Here is admittance about Ventrilo being effected... »Those having probs with Ventrilo
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jvaux
join:2004-04-22
Quebec, QC
| reply to GearHead360
I can't help but think that people are getting off track.
The fact that certain protocols/applications other than p2p are affected is important, but don't you think Bell is just going to say, "Oh, X, Y and Z don't work while throttling is on? Whoops, we'll fix that. There, now those work while we throttle P2P. Sorry about that, your complaint has been dealt with. Have a nice day."
The issue is net neutrality. Can the Bell decide what goes down the wires when someone pays for bandwidth.
Unless I've misunderstood something, Teksavvy buys their internet from someone /other/ than Bell. All Teksavvy is doing is renting the connection to their internet provider via Bell.
Bell's got no right to modify the content they don't provide.
It's like the postal service saying, "I know you paid to have this 2kg package shipped overnight, but we looked inside and since it's just your rock collection we decided it's not really important so you should get it in 10 days instead." |
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xdrag
join:2005-02-18
North York, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| said by jvaux  :I can't help but think that people are getting off track. The fact that certain protocols/applications other than p2p are affected is important, but don't you think Bell is just going to say, "Oh, X, Y and Z don't work while throttling is on? Whoops, we'll fix that. There, now those work while we throttle P2P. Sorry about that, your complaint has been dealt with. Have a nice day." The issue is net neutrality. Can the Bell decide what goes down the wires when someone pays for bandwidth. Unless I've misunderstood something, Teksavvy buys their internet from someone /other/ than Bell. All Teksavvy is doing is renting the connection to their internet provider via Bell. Bell's got no right to modify the content they don't provide. It's like the postal service saying, "I know you paid to have this 2kg package shipped overnight, but we looked inside and since it's just your rock collection we decided it's not really important so you should get it in 10 days instead." Love the analogy. So true. |
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Name96
join:2008-03-28
| reply to jvaux
said by jvaux :The fact that certain protocols/applications other than p2p are affected is important, but don't you think Bell is just going to say, "Oh, X, Y and Z don't work while throttling is on? Whoops, we'll fix that. There, now those work while we throttle P2P. Sorry about that, your complaint has been dealt with. Have a nice day." It's important to bring up other protocols in rebuttal because it undermines Bell's credibility. Bell's credibility on everything in their filing, including the "congestion" "issue," becomes a lot weaker if it can be demonstrated they can't get simple facts right. |
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waterguy
@bell.ca
| reply to xdrag
how about a more realistic analogy. In my town the city water supply is flat rate x dollars a month, the pipe suppling us is so big diameter. Not everyone can have full pressure at once but when I use it I get full pressure. Now a golf course sets up and uses gallons of water, placing stress on the supply but so far so good. Then some farmers hook up for irrigation more stress, then a water bottler shows up and starts bottling in a fancy green bottle and people can't get enough he is running 24/7 and all of a sudden my taps are flowing very slow. The main needs upgrade everyone yells, or at least the bottler, the farmer and the golf course owner. I think I should help pay for the upgrade NOT!!1 |
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PPuck
@teksavvy.com
| reply to GearHead360
We need to contact and hire that guy to fight for CAIP:
»www.audioholics.com/news/industr···kes-back
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Wonderful! |
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Robrr
@rogers.com | reply to GearHead360
I would love to be a fly on the wall when the guys at Monster get that letter  |
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HiVolt
30
Premium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
clubs:
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to PPuck
Oh my, what a great story!. I absolutely despise Monster Cable, both for charging insane prices and their frivolous lawsuits.
They sure bit more than they could chew in this guy!
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Yonsil
join:2008-02-21
Fort Erie, ON
 ·Cogeco Cable
·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to waterguy
How's that an analogy?
Yes, true, that water supply to get stressed but guess what, it "depletes" while bandwidth "don't"
More and more Canadians are using Internet services and we expect market force to push in, making the way for affordable cost for all. However, this is not the intention of Bell.
Affordable, at same time, better internet services should be advised but prices rose and services degraded. To push the blame at so-called "5%" is absurd and Bell should be ashamed of their sinful conduct...blaming customers for their lack of ability to handle market demand.
Bell should spend more money building up better infrastructure for Canada, not these outrageous lawyers.
Analogies should be avoided, we should be thinking about logical ideas like why should corporations control the way we consume rather than the market force. Wouldn't people get annoyed and stop using Internet if it gets so slow?
In time, shouldn't corporations such as Bell and Rogers fix the issue slowly for long term benefit than this...short term benefit?
I don't really get it but, being part of that so-called "5%," I think I have my rights to choose a company that is willing to offer me money saving plans with better service.
But when other corporations interfere with ways of other competitors, yeah...something is really messed up. |
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mazhurg
Premium
join:2004-05-02
Portage La Prairie, MB
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·MTS
| reply to PPuck
OT: All that for RCA connector?
Priceless....  |
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SSP
join:2007-04-30
1 edit | reply to GearHead360
When did Primus add a comment to the CAIP's letter? This is the first time I've seen this (didnt see this posted in the forums yet). Here's a little blurb:
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1. Primus Telecommunications Inc. (“Primus”) has obtained a copy of
the above-noted Part VII Application, dated 3 April 2008, by the Canadian
Association of Internet Providers (“CAIP”) requesting that the Commission
issue certain orders directing Bell Canada to cease and desist from
“throttling” wholesale ADSL services and in particular, the wholesale
service known as Gateway Access Service (“GAS”). Primus has also
obtained a copy of a letter, dated 4 April 2008, from Vaxination
Informatique supporting CAIP’s application.
2. On 8 April 2008, Commission staff issued a letter splitting CAIP’s
application into two separate processes, establishing 15 April 2008 as the
deadline for submissions on CAIP’s request for interim relief. Pursuant to 2 section 60.(1) of the CRTC Telecommunications Rules of Procedure, Primus
hereby submits its intervention on that portion of CAIP’s application.
Primus intends to submit a further intervention supporting and dealing with
the substance of CAIP’s application and why it agrees that Bell Canada is in
violation of its GAS tariff, once the deadlines in that further process are
established by the Commission
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Edit-Link: »www.crtc.gc.ca/PartVII/eng/2008/···5153.htm |
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jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC
·ELECTRONICBOX
| >When did Primus add a comment to the CAIP's letter? This is >the first time I've seen this (didnt see this posted in the >forums yet). Here's a little blurb:
It was added either late on wednesday or very early on thrusday. The letter is dated April 15th which was some (unknown to me) deadline. I have a call into the CRTC and will try to get some explanation on the deadlines mentioned by the Primus document.
The problem with the CRTC is that it takes 2 days to reach anyone, only to be told that I should speak to someone else (and you then wait another 2 days to get a call back from that person :-(
Also: the added a lot more "personal comments" overnight. One or two are different, the others are the standard text. |
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario | Just read the pdf.Very nicely done by primus. |
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18 | primus had it wrapped up nicely |
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ultracat
join:2008-01-30
Toronto, ON | Yup, good letter. However I had a chuckle when I read this line from the letter:
No one can deny that “this horse is out
of the barn.”
Now THAT'S a legal assertion : ) |
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TobiasFunke
Premium
join:2007-02-27
Toronto, ON
1 edit | reply to GearHead360
My favourite part is this:it has contacted its ISP customers and encouraged them to come forward with any suspected problems and remains committed to working with them. Committed to working with ISPs? Is this not the same Bell who applied to kill GAS entirely just two weeks ago?? |
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Arbalister
join:2007-11-24
St Catharines, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to zachary1
said by zachary1 :Sewage and Bell should always be placed in the same sentence. Along with their corporate spokesagandists. *I* thought it was an appropriate analogy. :-P |
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Arbalister
join:2007-11-24
St Catharines, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to Guspaz
Re: And Just HOw MUCH BW does DPI use?
said by Guspaz :DPI doesn't require any bandwidth by itself. It's very likely that they perform everything at line speed, and so can effectively perform DPI on every single packet that goes through the BAS. It's all very spread out (hundreds and hundreds of BAS), so they probably just have to be able to throttle up to one gigabit (or maybe even only 100 megabit) of traffic per DPI box. My question is...what do they do with the packets they are throttling. I've used traffic shaping on cisco hardware and it can be dangerous - when you slow certain packets, they have to sit *somewhere* until allowed to pass to the next machine. Typically, that's a RAM queue in the machine. Shaping is nice and safe and easy - until that queue overfills. That's when all heck breaks loose.
Or, another example - email. I maintain a box here for filtering incoming email, to remove some of the spam. It's not nearly as strict as I'd like to be, because the average time for it to pass through the machine increases with each additional operation. Its running about 300 milliseconds now. But now, picture an extra 300 ms on 1000 messages. An hour. It gets to the point where email takes a day to get to you. Somehow, somewhere, this throttling is going to have the same sort of backlash effect - you can't hold up 16.5% of Bells total traffic without creating a choke point somewhere, that will affect *everything* |
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