Trisomy21
join:2006-04-27
Kingston, ON
| reply to The Flash
Re: No response from Bell to CRTC? Anyone?
said by The Flash  :said by Trisomy21 :uh...use winzip? work computer... Here's a link to the .doc file. Best I can do, it's really long and I'm not spamming the thread with all that text lol.
»download.yousendit.com/B2C8BA085871FB30 |
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The Flash
You don't win friends with salad
Premium
join:2002-10-17
Toronto, ON | reply to gi1010
Thanks, didn't know DSLR allowed such a long post. |
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The Flash
You don't win friends with salad
Premium
join:2002-10-17
Toronto, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Execulink
| reply to Trisomy21
said by Trisomy21 :said by The Flash :said by Trisomy21 :uh...use winzip? work computer... Here's a link to the .doc file. Best I can do, it's really long and I'm not spamming the thread with all that text lol. » download.yousendit.com/B2C8BA085871FB30 thanks, you can also upload to DSLR too. |
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario | reply to The Flash
i'm sure it wont be long as soon as a mod see's it. |
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Trisomy21
join:2006-04-27
Kingston, ON | reply to The Flash
lol looks like someone else decided to post it. |
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ultracat
join:2008-01-30
Toronto, ON
·TELUS
·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to GearHead360
It's very long, very windy, and very wrong. I pray **PRAY** the CRTC will see this and not be blinded by Bell's lies.
I mean, there's lots of incorrect statement in there. I'm focusing on how the document tries to recast what CAIP said in a way that Bell can "answer" in such a way that is favorable to its own position in the matter. For example, the document goes on and on and on about P2P, congestion, blah blah blah and Bell justifies it's trottling based on that. Nowhere that I read does it explain how, with all these nice diagrams, etc. that this "bandwidth hog" user is not seperated out and treated any differently than a "regular users" who hops on a P2P appliaction even momentarily to do something. They don't address that because they've 'paraphrased' the CAIP filing. They are quite often in their response not even responding to the points that CAIP have raised, rather they respond to their own re-interpretation of what CAIP have claimed in their filing. Total BS. I just hope sincerely the CRTC sees through it. |
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CanerisErik
Caneris
Premium,VIP
join:2007-10-03
Toronto, ON
| reply to sbrook
said by sbrook :Full of the red herring of managing TCP/IP traffic! Exactly. The distinction must be made that everything said in paragraph 4.2 and similar is completely irrelevant. They are not being paid to carry TCP/IP traffic. They are being paid to carry whatever wholesalers choose to encapsulate. |
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The Flash
You don't win friends with salad
Premium
join:2002-10-17
Toronto, ON | reply to GearHead360
I hope the CRTC has a BS detector, cause this one will break it. |
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | They make many mentions of proof but offer none of their own |
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TemporalFlux
Premium
join:2003-08-07
Ont, Canada | reply to The Flash
I am willing to bet that the CRTC sees Bell sending letters full of noting all the time.. |
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mazhurg
Premium
join:2004-05-02
Portage La Prairie, MB
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·MTS
| reply to GearHead360
Interesting that the whole document (what I quickly read of) seem to indicate that the traffic to the internet itself, vice the so called last mile, is the issue that requires shaping while acknowledging that the traffic is quickly replaced.
And this while showing pretty pictures of the shaping being done *before* the internet really begins.
Also, how can they state that DPI is only inspecting headers when in reality it will stop (or throttle) applications masquerading with the same headers as other applications not being throttled?
Now, why have independant ISPs is an ISP is not free to buy, sell and manage their own network as they see fit? Really, if those other ISPs where mismanaging their own traffic it would only affect their users, no?
Finally, Teksavvy provides HSA, or is it only from Bell?
Bah, smoke and mirrors. Will read this thing again and more carefully when I have some time but so far it is not even worth the bits it is stored in. |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| said by mazhurg :Interesting that the whole document (what I quickly read of) seem to indicate that the traffic to the internet itself, vice the so called last mile, is the issue that requires shaping while acknowledging that the traffic is quickly replaced. And this while showing pretty pictures of the shaping being done *before* the internet really begins. Also, how can they state that DPI is only inspecting headers when in reality it will stop (or throttle) applications masquerading with the same headers as other applications not being throttled? Now, why have independant ISPs is an ISP is not free to buy, sell and manage their own network as they see fit? Really, if those other ISPs where mismanaging their own traffic it would only affect their users, no? Finally, Teksavvy provides HSA, or is it only from Bell? Bah, smoke and mirrors. Will read this thing again and more carefully when I have some time but so far it is not even worth the bits it is stored in. TekSavvy offers HSA service. Installation fee of $250, cost is $99/mth. |
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matradley
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Ontario
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to GearHead360
After going through the document, it appears that Bell is mulling over the statements with generalized statements. In fact, they seem to be pointing the finger at us and denoting that we "do not know how the Internet works." In addition, they decided to provided how TCP/IP works at the end of their document. Personally, their allegations forming the opinion that DPI is not affecting VPN, RDP, NNTP, SMTP (encrypred), et al... is very annoying. We have shown that this is problem. As soon as DPI begins to analyze the packets, the latency goes through the roof! |
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mazhurg
Premium
join:2004-05-02
Portage La Prairie, MB
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·MTS
| reply to Guspaz
said by Guspaz :said by mazhurg :Finally, Teksavvy provides HSA, or is it only from Bell? TekSavvy offers HSA service. Installation fee of $250, cost is $99/mth. And let me guess, Bell receives a bigger piece of the pie for the added cost, no? 
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fourboxers
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join:2003-05-04
Scarborough, ON
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| reply to GearHead360
Another PDF version. |
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18 | reply to mazhurg
perhaps we should show bell have encapsulation works??
tcp/ip is all fine and dandy but i feal they need a lesson in modern data comm. they seem to be a few centuries out of date |
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Arbalister
join:2007-11-24
St Catharines, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to HiVolt
said by HiVolt :said by daboom :This is bull%^&% I hope CRTC weighs in favor of the CAIP. It is BS. Bell has not presented any proof themselves of widespread congestion issues. My area is throttled, and I have been on this remote for 5 years, and never, ever experienced any congestion issues while with Sympatico or TekSavvy. Actually, they've proven that throttling hasn't fixed a thing. They stress, over and over, in that document, that "Other types of traffic quickly filled the space formerly used by p2p." Web traffic started to fill the 16.5% of bandwidth they got back. Streaming traffic filled it. Etc. All they've done is replaced one type of congestion with another. When will they decide that streaming video is the cuplrit and start throttling that, too? Oh, look, internet radio replaced streaming video...lets filter that too...
They state that this is a good thing. I state that when you pump sewage from 10 tanks at a time down a pipe, and shut the valve for one tank without reducing the overall flow, you've changed nothing. The congestion still exists. |
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koreyb
join:2005-01-08
Etobicoke, ON
 ·Primus Talkbroadband
·TekSavvy Solutions..
1 edit |  reply to GearHead360
I'm sorry... VoIP is being effected.
I have documented to the exact times that issues appear on my VoIP line provided by Primus that just appeared as This throttling started.
If my line is set on G711 codec (80kbps)
3:30pm, noticeable audio blips are noticeable on both sides of call.
4:00pm, Audio blips become more frequent.
4:30pm, Audio blips are at the point of making the line unusable, forced to switch codecs to G729.. (8kbps) G729 clears line 100%, but makes line only work for voice service.
2am, able to go back to g711 with some audio blips on both sides
2:30am Audio is 100% perfect.
I know a few Vonage customers who experience the same issues, so you tell me.. is this throttle effecting VoIP or NOT?!?!?!
If the VoIP service is encrypted(which most are for security) and Bell can't figure out it's VoIP.. It will be throttled. |
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| lets help bell out with vocab
last mile : The last mile is the colloquial name for the section of cable between a local telephone exchange and the customer's premises. The last mile is the part of the telecommunications connection covered by either a dial-up or a broadband link.
encapsulation: In computer networking, "encapsulation" is to include data from an upper layer protocol into a lower layer protocol.This is a method of abstraction for networking by allowing different layers to add features/functionality. |
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DJ MASACRE
@gc.ca
| reply to GearHead360
So I hope in whatever way possible ... we voice these statements back at CRTC so they can obviously see this is BS.
But from the CAIP complaint... we demand proof and know there is no proof, and Bell has responded with no real proof... so it is their word against OUR PROOF and FACTS ..
so i cant possibly imagine CRTC allowing this since Bell did not bother to think they should make a real statement ... since they really cant... now they just think they own the internet ... good for them .. but bad for them as they will not be able to continue for very long..
MAKE OUR VOICES HEARD NOW ... HAMMER THE LAST NAIL INTO THEM =) |
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