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Re: DOCSIS 3.0 "wideband" Service starting with Twin Cities what router are you using? and are you seeing them limit download speeds?
The reason I ask....
I had this service installed and got 51 Mbps speeds when plugged directly into the modem, but after I plug into the router with ethernet it is badly crippled ~25 Mbps. is this normal? I tried it with both netgear and linksys with tomato firmware.
I am at work, and new to the forums, so can't post any pictures, or do speed tests yet....guess I should read the rules carefully so I don't start off on the wrong foot  |
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 pipdipchip8 Megabits A SecondPremium
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Hanover, MN
1 edit | said by monkeytap:I had this service installed and got 51 Mbps speeds when plugged directly into the modem, but after I plug into the router with ethernet it is badly crippled ~25 Mbps. is this normal? I tried it with both netgear and linksys with tomato firmware. I know that older WRT54Gs used to only have 33Mbps WAN ports. This might have changed but I know that at least used to be the case. It would make sense if you're only getting around 25Mbps.
If you get a service faster than 20Mbps, I would strongly suggest getting a router with a Gigabit WAN port, not just Gigabit LAN ports. On Newegg there's only a few with Gigabit WAN ports but if you're paying for 20Mbps+, it's probably worth it.
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| It's cheaper to just take an old PC (such as the ones for $20 on eBay), throw a couple cheap/free 10/100 NICs in it, and load a Linux firewall distribution on the box.
The performance will blow away nearly any SOHO router you can pick up at a store like Best Buy. |
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 jbobReach Out and Touch SomeonePremium
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Little Rock, AR | Yeah but the power consumption differences make this not such a good idea, let alone the knowledge requirements of running Nix plus a firewall vs a simple SOHO router. |
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| If you want to go crazy you can get a low-power PC like the VIA CPU systems, but that would cost you about as much as a good SOHO router at Best Buy with GigE interfaces. The linux distro doesn't necessarily require a lot of knowledge. Take something like ClarkConnect that you just drop the install CD into the drive and then manage all operational aspects of the box through an HTTPS interface (just like a SOHO router). The nice part is once you buy the hardware the ClarkConnect distro is free for home users. |
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said by espaeth:It's cheaper to just take an old PC (such as the ones for $20 on eBay), throw a couple cheap/free 10/100 NICs in it, and load a Linux firewall distribution on the box. The performance will blow away nearly any SOHO router you can pick up at a store like Best Buy. Thats what I did. I took the oldest machine I had sitting around that still ran, put dual Linksys GiG-E cards in it (they were only $24 each) and put it up.
I run a P4 @ 1.3GHz, 384 RDRAM and 10GB HDD running PFSense. I replaced a WRT54GS running DD-WRT and the increase was outstanding. I have the 8Mbps package and everything runs better when I am running BT or a large download. Its worth the extra power as the computer only draws 75 watts. I have a server that is running 24/7 as well. That and a 24 port gigabit switch + SB5100, the whole setup only runs at 280/watts per hour. At the current cost of electricity it costs me about $14/month to run the whole setup.
The point - I think the power consumption is a small downside to how much better the connection runs. When Comcast decides to upgrade Denver to the 50/5, I am ready. I could even take on some 100/10 (if they offer it).
With that said, if you don't know how to set one up, or are too lazy, then a SOHO router would be a better choice, but you pay extra for the hardware. |
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said by pipdipchip:I know that older WRT54Gs used to only have 33Mbps WAN ports. This might have changed but I know that at least used to be the case. It would make sense if you're only getting around 25Mbps. If you get a service faster than 20Mbps, I would strongly suggest getting a router with a Gigabit WAN port, not just Gigabit LAN ports. On Newegg there's only a few with Gigabit WAN ports but if you're paying for 20Mbps+, it's probably worth it. where would I find this out? the box says LAN: Four 10/100 RJ-45 Switched Ports |
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| MonkeyTap: In the other thread that got locked, I mentioned that my old Linksys BEFSXR41 Router from 2003 couldn't get more than 12Meg down. Ran directly from the L2 Bridge to my PC and I got 42-49 Meg down. So I went and picked up the D-Link DGL4500 locally. (Good Review here -> »www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/···0250/96/)
Now speeds are great, up and down.
And no, they are not limiting my download speeds other than the config file set to 50/5. If you have a service that has a Multiple Gigabit link connection to the net you will max out your connection very easily, I have seen sustained 45Meg down with no problems. |
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jbobReach Out and Touch SomeonePremium
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Little Rock, AR | reply to monkeytap
said by monkeytap:said by pipdipchip:I know that older WRT54Gs used to only have 33Mbps WAN ports. This might have changed but I know that at least used to be the case. It would make sense if you're only getting around 25Mbps. If you get a service faster than 20Mbps, I would strongly suggest getting a router with a Gigabit WAN port, not just Gigabit LAN ports. On Newegg there's only a few with Gigabit WAN ports but if you're paying for 20Mbps+, it's probably worth it. where would I find this out? the box says LAN: Four 10/100 RJ-45 Switched Ports I'm not sure what pipdipchip  was trying to say but I know of NO WRT54G that had a 33Mbps WAN port. All the 54Gs have 1x10/100baseTX WAN ports. See this link for more thorough details:
»www.linksysinfo.org/forums/showt···?t=47124
Perhaps what he meant was that the combination of hardware/firmware limited the 54Gs to around 33Mbps of throughput. |
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pipdipchip8 Megabits A SecondPremium
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Hanover, MN | said by jbob:I'm not sure what pipdipchip was trying to say but I know of NO WRT54G that had a 33Mbps WAN port. All the 54Gs have 1x10/100baseTX WAN ports. See this link for more thorough details: » www.linksysinfo.org/forums/showt···?t=47124Perhaps what he meant was that the combination of hardware/firmware limited the 54Gs to around 33Mbps of throughput. You know I do have an entire site on the WRT series, right? lol.
Anyway, here's a thread on DD-WRT about the 35Mbps issue. It has to do with the 200Mhz processor. You can overclock the processor and get a slight increase.
»dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?···&start=0
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said by ciscoboy:MonkeyTap: In the other thread that got locked, I mentioned that my old Linksys BEFSXR41 Router from 2003 couldn't get more than 12Meg down. Ran directly from the L2 Bridge to my PC and I got 42-49 Meg down. So I went and picked up the D-Link DGL4500 locally. (Good Review here -> » www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/···0250/96/) Now speeds are great, up and down. And no, they are not limiting my download speeds other than the config file set to 50/5. If you have a service that has a Multiple Gigabit link connection to the net you will max out your connection very easily, I have seen sustained 45Meg down with no problems. perfect, thanks ciscoboy. i was thinking about calling to complain and possibly cancel since its an expensive service to be experimenting with. but I will definitely upgrade the router, where did you get it locally? good deal? |
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kudos:9 | Wonder how many servers there are out there that can provide content at these rates ?? |
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| said by EG:Wonder how many servers there are out there that can provide content at these rates ?? one word, p2p |
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said by pipdipchip:said by jbob:I'm not sure what pipdipchip was trying to say but I know of NO WRT54G that had a 33Mbps WAN port. All the 54Gs have 1x10/100baseTX WAN ports. See this link for more thorough details: » www.linksysinfo.org/forums/showt···?t=47124Perhaps what he meant was that the combination of hardware/firmware limited the 54Gs to around 33Mbps of throughput. You know I do have an entire site on the WRT series, right? lol. Anyway, here's a thread on DD-WRT about the 35Mbps issue. It has to do with the 200Mhz processor. You can overclock the processor and get a slight increase. » dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?···&start=0 LIes wrt54g v4/GL can do 45mbps with 3rd party firmware
it has an newer chipset
there is an Few Broadcom 5365 routers out there that can do 75mbps+ on the WAN
thanks in part to the IPsec Co processor |
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EGThe wings of lovePremium
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That's not one word....    |
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pipdipchip8 Megabits A SecondPremium
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Hanover, MN | reply to Anonymous_
said by Anonymous_:LIes wrt54g v4/GL can do 45mbps with 3rd party firmware it has an newer chipset there is an Few Broadcom 5365 routers out there that can do 75mbps+ on the WAN thanks in part to the IPsec Co processor Lies? I was lying about the fact some routers can't handle the full 100Mbps? 45Mbps is still less than DOCSIS 3's 50Mbps, isn't it? Therefore my point is still valid.
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I have a Linksys WRT54G v8 with the 240Mhz processor. I was wondering if the WAN is limited like you said the older versions are, since the site you linked to only goes up to version 5. Also what about the Linksys WRH54G 1.0 version, is that WAN limited as well to 35Mbps? |
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pipdipchip8 Megabits A SecondPremium
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Hanover, MN | said by MikeWolf9:I have a Linksys WRT54G v8 with the 240Mhz processor. I was wondering if the WAN is limited like you said the older versions are, since the site you linked to only goes up to version 5. Also what about the Linksys WRH54G 1.0 version, is that WAN limited as well to 35Mbps? I'm not 100% sure. I do know that originally the problem was with 200Mhz processors. The extra 40Mhz will help, I'm just not sure how much. It was also reported over clocking helps. You can always hopefully over clock up to the point of your connection speed.
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