Re: As usual in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20346869 en Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:44:50 EDT Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:44:50 EDT Re: As usual http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20353566 Thespis : Let's see...
The public has a "right" to buy a product in whatever fashion they choose, but the producer of the product doesn't have the right to sell his product in the manner he chooses.
All this talk about free market economics and letting channels die if nobody watches them, but nobody blinks at the notion of making laws to force a content producer to market his product in a specific way.
What country is this again?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20353566 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:31:30 EDT Re: As usual http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20346869 Camelot One :
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said by beaups See Profile :

really this is wild economics...if people were to pay by channel...and a channel could not survive because not enough people want it...then it should die, no?
YES! then that would free up bandwidth for channels people DO want
Sadly, IF that were to happen, we'd have the "Survivor" channel, the "American Idol" channel, and 22 addition channels for their spin offs, running the shows 24/7.
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said by beaups See Profile :

really this is wild economics...if people were to pay by channel...and a channel could not survive because not enough people want it...then it should die, no?
YES! then that would free up bandwidth for channels people DO want
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1. I agree that a la carte and bundling should be available. 2. Prices will increase, and probably 3/4 of the channels would disappear or become too expensive.

TV (cable, satellite, FiOS, etc.) are all based on the following:
a) Management wants a minimum of ~$40 from you to support TV service. They currently want as much from you as you are willing to pay.
b) Management has to PAY for some channels... others (HSN, Shopping) are basically 'free', and others are sold - bundled by big media (Disney, ABC, ESPN, Big10).

Why not have a pseudo a la carte?
Basic package = x ($35-$40 range to keeps the basics happy), then a la carte and bundles after that ?
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said by Camelot One See Profile :

Oh come on now. If we weren't forced to subsidize channels like WE, BET, and Oxygen, they couldn't stay on the air! No one is going to pay for that crap. But as it is, the 3 people who want to watch those channels can, thanks to the combined pool of all of us.
"Thanks for the support"
-signed Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20345032 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:43:30 EDT Re: As usual http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20344945 anon :
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I mean, if I sell a product that is not profitable unless I force people who DO NOT WANT IT to pay for it anyways..


Sounds like Microsoft's business plan for Vista.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20344945 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:28:08 EDT Re: As usual http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20344942 PaulHikeS2 : You apparently didn't read the post. It was referring to shopping and religious channels only.
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said by PaulHikeS2 See Profile :

I realize this is just a small portion of your point, but you don't subsidize them. Those channels actually pay the provider for carriage. In effect, they subsidize your bill.
bzzzzzzt! wrong answer. Every time cable bills go up, the cablecos blame it on the increased cost of programming.

if Disney jacks up the rate of their new "bundle" because it includes a program nobody wants to watch, the cost gets passed straight on to you know who.

in the DC area, the comcast sports network was refusing to carry the Nationals games because 1) transmission rights were owned by another group (the real reason they bitched) and 2) they claimed they would have to raise rates (the truth? who knows). The pressure was too much, comcast caved, then promptly added $1.50 to every local customers bill.

no subsidizing going on for us, we're the marks in this carnival.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20344917 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:21:45 EDT Re: As usual http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20344672 PhoenixDown : Yeah and it would be hard for the cable companies to explain their rate hikes when you decide to leave all the sports packages out!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20344672 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:36:27 EDT Re: As usual http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20344664 pnh102 :
said by beaups See Profile :

really this is wild economics...if people were to pay by channel...and a channel could not survive because not enough people want it...then it should die, no?
Didn't they say the same thing about certain banks? ;)
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said by bugabuga See Profile :

For example I don't want to subsidise five shopping channels and five religious channels.
I realize this is just a small portion of your point, but you don't subsidize them. Those channels actually pay the provider for carriage. In effect, they subsidize your bill.
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For example I don't want to subsidise five shopping channels and five religious channels.

Biggest fear of small channels is that advertisers will know exactly how many people subscribe and watch them, and slash their rates (because they can't claim everyone who signed up for an extended cable package to be "semi-regular viewer").

Again, for those who like the idea of helping out small channels, packages would be available like before. Nobody forces you to switch to a-la carte, if you don't want to.
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said by Camelot One See Profile :

Oh come on now. If we weren't forced to subsidize channels like WE, BET, and Oxygen, they couldn't stay on the air! No one is going to pay for that crap. But as it is, the 3 people who want to watch those channels can, thanks to the combined pool of all of us.
That's ignorant to say no one would subscribe to those channels. The world doesn't revolve around what you like (read:you have no girlfriend or kids).

That being said, content providers know that few people would subscribe to all of those channels without them being bundled. Most of those extra channels are just extra revenue streams since they charge per subscriber.They can hold cable and satellite companies hostage by forcing them to take the extra if they want to provide popular channels.

If cable companies want MTV or BET, they have to take 4 other MTVs and BET Jazz. Want CNN, you have to get CNN International, TruTV, Headline News, and CNN World. Don't even get me started on Disney with their channels and ESPN. Content providers are the REAL reason why everyone's cable bills keeps rising.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20344516 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:07:41 EDT Re: As usual http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20344446 beaups : really this is wild economics...if people were to pay by channel...and a channel could not survive because not enough people want it...then it should die, no?

I mean, if I sell a product that is not profitable unless I force people who DO NOT WANT IT to pay for it anyways...isn't something wrong with my business model??? lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20344446 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:56:20 EDT Re: As usual http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20344336 Camelot One : Oh come on now. If we weren't forced to subsidize channels like WE, BET, and Oxygen, they couldn't stay on the air! No one is going to pay for that crap. But as it is, the 3 people who want to watch those channels can, thanks to the combined pool of all of us.
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But customers should not concern themselves with such irrelevant details.
Bleh.

p.s. diversity is nice, as long as it's not sponsored out of a pocket of someone who won't benefit from it.
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