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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1542094"><b>Vomio</b></A> : Probably because of Bell's pair of big brown beavers.<br><br>Now Wynona took her big brown beaver,<br>And she stuck him up in the air.<br>Said "I sure do love this big brown beaver<br>And I wish I did have a pair."]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/328901"><b>Snickerdo</b></A> : It's GSM.  They resell Rogers service with the Fido "core" footprint.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1497978"><b>Mersault</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  grayfox <A HREF="/useremail/u/1510753"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Thank you Primus for doing the right thing.<br><br>edit: Does anyone know if their cellphone service is GSM or CDMA, If its CDMA I will probably switch from telus to them.<br> </div>I'm pretty certain our service is GSM. I don't have anything to do with our cell service at all though, so I don't want to confirm anything absolutely.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1510753"><b>grayfox</b></A> : Thank you Primus for doing the right thing.<br><br>edit: Does anyone know if their cellphone service is GSM or CDMA, If its CDMA I will probably switch from telus to them.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:44:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/328901"><b>Snickerdo</b></A> : I've always found Primus very cool to deal with, very open and forthright with stuff that's going on and honest with their customers.  This CRTC filing only further enforces how pleased I am to be a Primus customer.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:27:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1543742"><b>emerald_b</b></A> : This honestly made my day. I had like 3 hours of sleep and an early morning exam and have been feeling crappy, but this cheered me right up. Its nice to see that bell is getting called on their bs. I find the whole situation frustrating, and its a nice change of pace I hope it continues. <br>p.s. the dancing kitty is very cute:)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:39:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538279"><b>cacruden</b></A> : I cannot see how CRTC cannot uphold the injunction request - until further investigation is done....  hopefully they will issue it shortly after next tuesday.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:31:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1202784"><b>bassjunky</b></A> : I don't know why I thought this had to do with Les Claypool  :o]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:27:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I'm glad to see Primus do this, definately is going to make it A LOT harder for Bell to prove its case]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:45:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1453332"><b>codecx</b></A> : Never had ill-will against Primus to begin with, but this is a very positive move they've made.<br><br>Thank you for doing the right thing, Primus.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:41:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1522812"><b>ShadPTR</b></A> : Bravo Primus.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:50:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : The CAIP did ask for an injunction, Primus just reinforced the importance of it; Primus didn't propose the injunction to begin with.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:27:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1462009"><b>buttaknife</b></A> : Here's hoping.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:12:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1352959"><b>Trisomy21</b></A> : Wow, this is great news. See Bell, this problem isn't going away. You implemented DPI without even informing us, hoping that nobody would notice lol. Fools.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:10:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1538279"><b>cacruden</b></A> : Your filing was listed "under" CAIP, do they just have to reply "generally" or specifically to each letter.  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:44:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Someone should make re-post the process that we were going through to voice our support on the CAIP filing, except change it so we can voice our support on the Primus filing now.  The more support we give to each of these filings, the more likely CRTC is to side with us...]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:35:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/736873"><b>GearHead360</b></A> : Mad respect for Primus!  :D<br><br>The funny thing is that Bell is sending me offers to switch to Sympatico in the mail LOL (first 3 months free lol) HELL NO!!!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:24:35 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  The Flash <A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>My respect for Primus just went up and my respect for Bell...I don't think it can get any lower.<br> </div> :D ;)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:19:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/706116"><b>The Flash</b></A> : My respect for Primus just went up and my respect for Bell...I don't think it can get any lower.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:13:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/736873"><b>GearHead360</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  heavyduty <A HREF="/useremail/u/1540310"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>>I am not sure if Bell will respond to the Primus letter since it doesn't really add anything to the CAIP letter.<br> </div>It adds quite important stuff. Firstly, they request the CRTC at least for the interim order throttling of GAS turned off. If you don't ask for it, CRTC could (and would) simply let Bell Canada continue wholesale throttling while this all plays out. Primus is correct to ask that while this plays out, to revert to no-throttling.<br><br>Secondly, point #12 is very appropriate -market forces alone cannot address the competitive impact Bell is unilaterally imposing on wholesalers.<br><br>As an example: prior to GAS throttling, TSI was able to differentiate itself from other ISPs by investing heavily in their Internet Transport infrastructure. This is a strategic choice TSI made to draw customers from other ISPs, including other wholesalers, Bell and Rogers.<br><br>Once GAS throttling was enabled, Bell automatically rendered the bulk of TSI's strategic investment and planning by marginalizing the positive effect TSI investment would have on TSI service. By throttling, Bell Canada has effectively cost TSI a huge amount of capital and recurring expense to which TSI is obligated per contracts to continue to finance. That's a lot of benefit for Bell Canada - make your competitor spend a ton of money and render that investment moot - thereby weakening your competitor through monopolistic tactics. Quite frankly, Bell Canada should be held culpable for their intentional lack of any forewarning to such a monstrous impact to GAS tarif service, and should be made to pay the costs TSI has incurred, and will incur to get out of their relevant long-term infrastructure commitments. To say "Sorry we regret not informing you" is not enough. Financially, legally, they have materially impacted GAS tarif service.<br><br>Many other ISPs are likely in the same situation. Blind-sided, and now weakened financially by Bell's throttling ambush. I hope they speak up, and go after Bell for financial reimbursement.<br> </div>Thats exactly what I said in the beginning. :D]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:09:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1535240"><b>GKC</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  heavyduty <A HREF="/useremail/u/1540310"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> I hope they speak up, and go after Bell for financial reimbursement.<br> </div><i>Absolutely.</i>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:05:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/646748"><b>Angelo_</b></A> : say a fiber backbone just for 3rd parties ;)?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:02:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1540310"><b>heavyduty</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>>I am not sure if Bell will respond to the Primus letter since it doesn't really add anything to the CAIP letter.<br> </div>It adds quite important stuff. Firstly, they request the CRTC at least for the interim order throttling of GAS turned off. If you don't ask for it, CRTC could (and would) simply let Bell Canada continue wholesale throttling while this all plays out. Primus is correct to ask that while this plays out, to revert to no-throttling.<br><br>Secondly, point #12 is very appropriate -market forces alone cannot address the competitive impact Bell is unilaterally imposing on wholesalers.<br><br>As an example: prior to GAS throttling, TSI was able to differentiate itself from other ISPs by investing heavily in their Internet Transport infrastructure. This is a strategic choice TSI made to draw customers from other ISPs, including other wholesalers, Bell and Rogers.<br><br>Once GAS throttling was enabled, Bell automatically rendered the bulk of TSI's strategic investment and planning by marginalizing the positive effect TSI investment would have on TSI service. By throttling, Bell Canada has effectively cost TSI a huge amount of capital and recurring expense to which TSI is obligated per contracts to continue to finance. That's a lot of benefit for Bell Canada - make your competitor spend a ton of money and render that investment moot - thereby weakening your competitor through monopolistic tactics. Quite frankly, Bell Canada should be held culpable for their intentional lack of any forewarning to such a monstrous impact to GAS tarif service, and should be made to pay the costs TSI has incurred, and will incur to get out of their relevant long-term infrastructure commitments. To say "Sorry we regret not informing you" is not enough. Financially, legally, they have materially impacted GAS tarif service.<br><br>Many other ISPs are likely in the same situation. Blind-sided, and now weakened financially by Bell's throttling ambush. I hope they speak up, and go after Bell for financial reimbursement.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:39:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/485926"><b>Laidback</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jfmezei <A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>>Everybody has, to date, ignored JF's filing ;)<br><br>Primus mentions it in their filing. (as in "we've read it").<br><br>The response from Bell covers only the CAIP letter. Bell must respond in a separate letter to my letter. The deadline for Bell's response to mine should be this friday unless the CRTC has changed it. (normally 10 business days).<br><br>Expect Bell to act as a politician and respond to mine with a 4 page letter that says absolutely nothing except they have the right to manage their network bla bla bla (aka: not cover any points I have made).<br><br>I am not sure if Bell will respond to the Primus letter since it doesn't really add anything to the CAIP letter.<br> </div>I was under the impression that anything filed through the CRTC had to be responded to.  I'm just glad that people like yourself have stepped forward and are fighting for many others, and I'm glad my ISP is no longer silent about this.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:38:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1427659"><b>jfmezei</b></A> : >Everybody has, to date, ignored JF's filing ;)<br><br>Primus mentions it in their filing. (as in "we've read it").<br><br>The response from Bell covers only the CAIP letter. Bell must respond in a separate letter to my letter. The deadline for Bell's response to mine should be this friday unless the CRTC has changed it. (normally 10 business days).<br><br>Expect Bell to act as a politician and respond to mine with a 4 page letter that says absolutely nothing except they have the right to manage their network bla bla bla (aka: not cover any points I have made).<br><br>I am not sure if Bell will respond to the Primus letter since it doesn't really add anything to the CAIP letter.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:26:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/646748"><b>Angelo_</b></A> : i never ignored jf's.... bell sure didn't they dedicated a whole page to him!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:37:51 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/648847"><b>Steve Jobs</b></A> : Awesome.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1494717"><b>Turbinator</b></A> : This is time for celebration.<br><br> <IMG SRC="http://www.party-machine.ca/pmcat_with_party_hat.gif"> <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><b>P.S.</b> <i>If you have a more modern cellphone, and USB cable or bluetooth, you can use it as a 56k modem.</i>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/816260"><b>damir</b></A> : good :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:52:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/510249"><b>Guspaz</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.crtc.gc.ca/public/partvii/2008/8622/c51_200805153/891007.pdf" >www.crtc.gc.ca/public/partvii/20&middot;&middot;&middot;1007.pdf</A><br><br>To sum it up, they basically say that they agree with the CAIP on every single point, that the CRTC should grant CAIP's request for an immediate injunction, and "oh, BTW, here are a bunch more reasons why you should do so that the CAIP forgot".<br><br>In other words, this is a very positive thing, that a large company like Primus has come out completely in favour of the CAIP's filing. This can only help the CRTC come to a favourable decision.<br><br>Everybody has, to date, ignored JF's filing ;)<br><br>EDIT: If my postings are low in volume over the next few days, it's because my DSL line is down and I'm relying on the "free" WiFi in my apartment building (provided by the building, one WAP per floor). I'm currently downloading an anime episode at about 2KB/s. Dialup would be faster (would avoid the 50%+ packetloss), except I have a dry loop :P]]></description>
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