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Trisomy21

join:2006-04-27
Kingston, ON
reply to cacruden
Re: Primus makes their CRTC filing

Wow, this is great news. See Bell, this problem isn't going away. You implemented DPI without even informing us, hoping that nobody would notice lol. Fools.

cacruden

join:2008-03-18
Toronto, ON
reply to jfmezei
Your filing was listed "under" CAIP, do they just have to reply "generally" or specifically to each letter.


GearHead360

join:2002-12-14
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..

reply to heavyduty
said by heavyduty See Profile :

said by jfmezei See Profile :

>I am not sure if Bell will respond to the Primus letter since it doesn't really add anything to the CAIP letter.
It adds quite important stuff. Firstly, they request the CRTC at least for the interim order throttling of GAS turned off. If you don't ask for it, CRTC could (and would) simply let Bell Canada continue wholesale throttling while this all plays out. Primus is correct to ask that while this plays out, to revert to no-throttling.

Secondly, point #12 is very appropriate -market forces alone cannot address the competitive impact Bell is unilaterally imposing on wholesalers.

As an example: prior to GAS throttling, TSI was able to differentiate itself from other ISPs by investing heavily in their Internet Transport infrastructure. This is a strategic choice TSI made to draw customers from other ISPs, including other wholesalers, Bell and Rogers.

Once GAS throttling was enabled, Bell automatically rendered the bulk of TSI's strategic investment and planning by marginalizing the positive effect TSI investment would have on TSI service. By throttling, Bell Canada has effectively cost TSI a huge amount of capital and recurring expense to which TSI is obligated per contracts to continue to finance. That's a lot of benefit for Bell Canada - make your competitor spend a ton of money and render that investment moot - thereby weakening your competitor through monopolistic tactics. Quite frankly, Bell Canada should be held culpable for their intentional lack of any forewarning to such a monstrous impact to GAS tarif service, and should be made to pay the costs TSI has incurred, and will incur to get out of their relevant long-term infrastructure commitments. To say "Sorry we regret not informing you" is not enough. Financially, legally, they have materially impacted GAS tarif service.

Many other ISPs are likely in the same situation. Blind-sided, and now weakened financially by Bell's throttling ambush. I hope they speak up, and go after Bell for financial reimbursement.
Thats exactly what I said in the beginning.


GKC

join:2008-03-07
Toronto, ON

reply to heavyduty
said by heavyduty See Profile :

I hope they speak up, and go after Bell for financial reimbursement.
Absolutely.


Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18
reply to heavyduty
say a fiber backbone just for 3rd parties ?

heavyduty

join:2008-03-26
Brampton, ON
·Primus Telecommuni..

reply to jfmezei
said by jfmezei See Profile :

>I am not sure if Bell will respond to the Primus letter since it doesn't really add anything to the CAIP letter.
It adds quite important stuff. Firstly, they request the CRTC at least for the interim order throttling of GAS turned off. If you don't ask for it, CRTC could (and would) simply let Bell Canada continue wholesale throttling while this all plays out. Primus is correct to ask that while this plays out, to revert to no-throttling.

Secondly, point #12 is very appropriate -market forces alone cannot address the competitive impact Bell is unilaterally imposing on wholesalers.

As an example: prior to GAS throttling, TSI was able to differentiate itself from other ISPs by investing heavily in their Internet Transport infrastructure. This is a strategic choice TSI made to draw customers from other ISPs, including other wholesalers, Bell and Rogers.

Once GAS throttling was enabled, Bell automatically rendered the bulk of TSI's strategic investment and planning by marginalizing the positive effect TSI investment would have on TSI service. By throttling, Bell Canada has effectively cost TSI a huge amount of capital and recurring expense to which TSI is obligated per contracts to continue to finance. That's a lot of benefit for Bell Canada - make your competitor spend a ton of money and render that investment moot - thereby weakening your competitor through monopolistic tactics. Quite frankly, Bell Canada should be held culpable for their intentional lack of any forewarning to such a monstrous impact to GAS tarif service, and should be made to pay the costs TSI has incurred, and will incur to get out of their relevant long-term infrastructure commitments. To say "Sorry we regret not informing you" is not enough. Financially, legally, they have materially impacted GAS tarif service.

Many other ISPs are likely in the same situation. Blind-sided, and now weakened financially by Bell's throttling ambush. I hope they speak up, and go after Bell for financial reimbursement.

Laidback

join:2001-09-30
Woodstock, ON
·PrimusDSL

reply to jfmezei
said by jfmezei See Profile :

>Everybody has, to date, ignored JF's filing

Primus mentions it in their filing. (as in "we've read it").

The response from Bell covers only the CAIP letter. Bell must respond in a separate letter to my letter. The deadline for Bell's response to mine should be this friday unless the CRTC has changed it. (normally 10 business days).

Expect Bell to act as a politician and respond to mine with a 4 page letter that says absolutely nothing except they have the right to manage their network bla bla bla (aka: not cover any points I have made).

I am not sure if Bell will respond to the Primus letter since it doesn't really add anything to the CAIP letter.
I was under the impression that anything filed through the CRTC had to be responded to. I'm just glad that people like yourself have stepped forward and are fighting for many others, and I'm glad my ISP is no longer silent about this.


jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC
·ELECTRONICBOX

reply to Guspaz
>Everybody has, to date, ignored JF's filing

Primus mentions it in their filing. (as in "we've read it").

The response from Bell covers only the CAIP letter. Bell must respond in a separate letter to my letter. The deadline for Bell's response to mine should be this friday unless the CRTC has changed it. (normally 10 business days).

Expect Bell to act as a politician and respond to mine with a 4 page letter that says absolutely nothing except they have the right to manage their network bla bla bla (aka: not cover any points I have made).

I am not sure if Bell will respond to the Primus letter since it doesn't really add anything to the CAIP letter.
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